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They haven't changed their principles page yet: https://openai.com/safety-standards https://openai.com/safety-standards ``` Minimize harm We will build safety

They haven't changed their principles page yet: https://openai.com/safety-standards https://openai.com/safety-standards ``` Minimize harm We will build safety into our AI tools where possible, and work hard to aggressively reduce harms posed by the misuse or abuse of our AI tools. ``` And I think they can still do that. If they corner every big usecase while they are the top ai models - they get to set the standard and define safety for all upcoming ai use cases. At this point, the ai genie is fully out of the bag. If not openai, it would have been some other company...

TaylorAlexander 3y ago
This is exactly the reasoning that every entity involved in doing this will say and is what leads to an arms race.
bigstrat2003 3y ago
> If not openai, it would have been some other company... This does not justify anything and never has. I'm not even saying that what OpenAI is doing is bad (I don't think it's inherently bad to work with the military). But if one believes that it is bad, then "well someone was going to do it so it may as well be them" doesn't remotely hold water.
- Frost1x 3y ago
  Doesn’t it, though? Especially in the context of military, if some potential enemy has no moral qualms using new technology to kill you, doesn’t it mean you’re somewhat forced to provide a defense or die a martyr? This is sort of what happened with nuclear weapons and the race. The strategy developed afterwards was mutually assured destruction but that probably won’t work here.
  - bigstrat2003 3y ago
    No, it doesn't. If your principles are to mean anything, you can't give them up just because "that other guy doesn't have principles". Either stick by your principles, or don't claim to have them.
  - SantalBlush 3y ago
    One issue is that "Someone else was going to do it" is not a statement of fact, it is a counterfactual. At best, it is a guess, and at worst, it is a lie. But either way, it can't be proven.
- binsquare 3y ago
  If someone was going to do it, wouldn't you choose to have some control rather than let someone else (a possibly worse option) at the wheels?
porkbeer 3y ago
'If I don't, someone else will' is one of the most defeatist, morally bankrupt attitudes known to man. But hey, if I don't point out how shady and shitty it is, someone else will.
petre 3y ago
Until someone argues they're not principles, just mere guidelines.
NotSammyHagar 3y ago
Please save off the page for the future. We were so naive in 2024.

TaylorAlexander 3y ago

This is exactly the reasoning that every entity involved in doing this will say and is what leads to an arms race.

bigstrat2003 3y ago

> If not openai, it would have been some other company... This does not justify anything and never has. I'm not even saying that what OpenAI is doing is bad (I don't think it's inherently bad to work with the military). But if one believes that it is bad, then "well someone was going to do it so it may as well be them" doesn't remotely hold water.

Frost1x 3y ago
Doesn’t it, though? Especially in the context of military, if some potential enemy has no moral qualms using new technology to kill you, doesn’t it mean you’re somewhat forced to provide a defense or die a martyr? This is sort of what happened with nuclear weapons and the race. The strategy developed afterwards was mutually assured destruction but that probably won’t work here.
- bigstrat2003 3y ago
  No, it doesn't. If your principles are to mean anything, you can't give them up just because "that other guy doesn't have principles". Either stick by your principles, or don't claim to have them.
- SantalBlush 3y ago
  One issue is that "Someone else was going to do it" is not a statement of fact, it is a counterfactual. At best, it is a guess, and at worst, it is a lie. But either way, it can't be proven.
binsquare 3y ago
If someone was going to do it, wouldn't you choose to have some control rather than let someone else (a possibly worse option) at the wheels?

porkbeer 3y ago

'If I don't, someone else will' is one of the most defeatist, morally bankrupt attitudes known to man. But hey, if I don't point out how shady and shitty it is, someone else will.

petre 3y ago

Until someone argues they're not principles, just mere guidelines.

NotSammyHagar 3y ago

Please save off the page for the future. We were so naive in 2024.