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Immigration is not a static phenomenon. The birthrates of immigrant groups drop to more closely match the existing population, and the origin nations of immigra

Immigration is not a static phenomenon. The birthrates of immigrant groups drop to more closely match the existing population, and the origin nations of immigrant groups change over time, sometimes eventually becoming nations with net positive immigration. Colombia for example was a nation with net negative migration due to the drug war and political violence, but is now about even due to a surge of immigrants from Venezuela and the US. Or just think about the patterns of Irish or Italian immigration to the US. There's also a huge historic and geographic factor, specifically colonialism, that creates connections for immigration that would otherwise be unlikely. It's not like this is some clockwork system where every citizen migrates to the richest country that can reach at any given time. It's people, by the tens of millions, making the best decisions they can for themselves and their family based on the political and economic realities.

vidarh 3y ago
Fertility rates in all of these countries he worries about are also rapidly dropping.
randomopining 3y ago
Everything you said is factual. Colombia - great it was a drop in the bucket, they speak the same language and integrate, and it still is a big albatross on society there. US - mass European immigration meant that people needed to learn english to integrate, same religion caused easier integration, etc. It's not nearly 1:1 with the current situations in the US and Europe, respectively. I'm just saying that mass immigration has effects on the country, the people, the economy/housing, the way of life, etc. People should fully understand this and then vote accordingly. It's something to openly discuss and digest, not something to be swept under the rug or "downvoted".
- standardUser 3y ago
  You specifically speculated that it is "population replacement on the planet-scale" which is not only simplistic to the point of being untrue, but also references language widely used by people and organizations who oppose migration specifically due to racial concerns. If you ever want to have a reasonable, productive conversation about immigration, don't use words like 'replacement' that almost everyone knows are racially charged. And by the way I upvoted your original comment for visibility because I believe these issues should be discussed openly.
  - randomopining 3y ago
    Cool, and thanks. I think my comment is completely reasonable and obv it started some decent discussions. Replacement is defined as "a person or thing that takes the place of another"... when a town has 100 people who are German, and then in the future it is 50 Germans and 50 French -- the Germans have been half replaced by the French. It's a simple term, and I'm using it 100% as it is defined in our English language.

vidarh 3y ago

Fertility rates in all of these countries he worries about are also rapidly dropping.

randomopining 3y ago

Everything you said is factual. Colombia - great it was a drop in the bucket, they speak the same language and integrate, and it still is a big albatross on society there. US - mass European immigration meant that people needed to learn english to integrate, same religion caused easier integration, etc. It's not nearly 1:1 with the current situations in the US and Europe, respectively. I'm just saying that mass immigration has effects on the country, the people, the economy/housing, the way of life, etc. People should fully understand this and then vote accordingly. It's something to openly discuss and digest, not something to be swept under the rug or "downvoted".

standardUser 3y ago
You specifically speculated that it is "population replacement on the planet-scale" which is not only simplistic to the point of being untrue, but also references language widely used by people and organizations who oppose migration specifically due to racial concerns. If you ever want to have a reasonable, productive conversation about immigration, don't use words like 'replacement' that almost everyone knows are racially charged. And by the way I upvoted your original comment for visibility because I believe these issues should be discussed openly.
- randomopining 3y ago
  Cool, and thanks. I think my comment is completely reasonable and obv it started some decent discussions. Replacement is defined as "a person or thing that takes the place of another"... when a town has 100 people who are German, and then in the future it is 50 Germans and 50 French -- the Germans have been half replaced by the French. It's a simple term, and I'm using it 100% as it is defined in our English language.