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A data point for the orthogonality of politics and intelligence. If one is holding to the belief that a certain political stance means people are somehow defic

A data point for the orthogonality of politics and intelligence. If one is holding to the belief that a certain political stance means people are somehow deficient, it just shows that one is vulnerable to propaganda which dehumanizes and blames a group. Don't hate the person. Call out the stupid. Actually, don't hate. It makes you stupid. (Again, this is orthogonal to politics!)

noizejoy 3y ago
It’s incredibly difficult to call out and correct negative beliefs and behaviours while maintaining a fully positive human relationship. — It just doesn’t seem to scale well.
- stcredzero 3y ago
  So you're saying: Not being positive == hate? Thanks for sharing! How about not being 100% positive, while also not dehumanizing, devaluing, and hating? Is it too much to ask to just accept everyone as fully human and not something disgusting, even those we happen to disagree with? It just doesn’t seem to scale well. Please give us a historical example where "letting your hate flow" led to scalable mass changing people -- That didn't also involve mass death and violence?
  - noizejoy 3y ago
    > So you're saying: Not being positive == hate? I didn’t say that, nor mean it. And just wow - never in my most pessimistic estimation did I imagine that my post would be interpreted as defending “dehumanizing, devaluing and hate”. Having lived in different cultures, I have experienced that perfectly acceptable wording of criticism of an idea in one culture was interpreted as a personal attack in another culture. So the same wording of a critique didn’t “scale” across those cultures. In a smaller scale setting, there’s a much better chance to hit the right tone for the smaller audience, so the criticism doesn’t come across as hurtful. > Please give us a historical example where "letting your hate flow" led to scalable mass changing people I have to admit, I have absolutely no idea how you got from my comment to that sentence?

noizejoy 3y ago

It’s incredibly difficult to call out and correct negative beliefs and behaviours while maintaining a fully positive human relationship. — It just doesn’t seem to scale well.

stcredzero 3y ago
So you're saying: Not being positive == hate? Thanks for sharing! How about not being 100% positive, while also not dehumanizing, devaluing, and hating? Is it too much to ask to just accept everyone as fully human and not something disgusting, even those we happen to disagree with? It just doesn’t seem to scale well. Please give us a historical example where "letting your hate flow" led to scalable mass changing people -- That didn't also involve mass death and violence?
- noizejoy 3y ago
  > So you're saying: Not being positive == hate? I didn’t say that, nor mean it. And just wow - never in my most pessimistic estimation did I imagine that my post would be interpreted as defending “dehumanizing, devaluing and hate”. Having lived in different cultures, I have experienced that perfectly acceptable wording of criticism of an idea in one culture was interpreted as a personal attack in another culture. So the same wording of a critique didn’t “scale” across those cultures. In a smaller scale setting, there’s a much better chance to hit the right tone for the smaller audience, so the criticism doesn’t come across as hurtful. > Please give us a historical example where "letting your hate flow" led to scalable mass changing people I have to admit, I have absolutely no idea how you got from my comment to that sentence?