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Whether this is bad or good or should be banned or not is functionally irrelevant. There is nothing that can be done short of terminating the global internet. S

Whether this is bad or good or should be banned or not is functionally irrelevant. There is nothing that can be done short of terminating the global internet. Sure you could ban it in the US and Europe, but you can't in China, et al. You can't ban it everywhere. You can't ban open source. Art has been democratized. It's not going back in the bottle. A kid with a laptop anywhere on the planet will be able to compete with the largest Hollywood studio in the near future.

madeofpalk 3y ago
You can't ban torrents, but Netflix still pays rights holders for movies.
spicybbq 3y ago
> Sure you could ban it in the US and Europe, but you can't in China, et al. The same can be said for enforcing intellectual property rights, and we do enforce IP in western countries despite other countries not respecting those rights. We could end up where models can only be legally trained with public domain IP, enforced by regulation, royalties, private causes of action, etc. You may like things the way they are, but it's false that "nothing" can be done to change it.
chrisknyfe 3y ago
And yet, Comcast and AT&T will gladly terminate any customer on their network pirating copyrighted works from large corporate owners. It seems to me like we very much can do something about AI infringement.
- CaptainFever 3y ago
  Does that actually happen often, if you use a VPN or live in one of the countries that don't care about piracy?
JeremyNT 3y ago
> There is nothing that can be done short of terminating the global internet. Sure you could ban it in the US and Europe, but you can't in China, et al. You can't ban it everywhere. You can't ban open source. Ah yes, the Nirvana Falacy. [0] Microsoft, Google, etc are corporations that operate within a legal framework. You can quite readily claw back some of their profits from such ill-gotten gains and redistribute them to the creators who they currently intend to put out of work. "Oh, but some pirate will do it! Oh, but China will do it! So why not let those poor megacorporations do it, too!" So what. The megaorporations who nominally answer to and respect the rule of law are the lion's share of this problem. They can be made to stop. Solve them and you're 90% there, don't get bogged down in the other 10%. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana_fallacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana_fallacy

madeofpalk 3y ago

You can't ban torrents, but Netflix still pays rights holders for movies.

spicybbq 3y ago

> Sure you could ban it in the US and Europe, but you can't in China, et al. The same can be said for enforcing intellectual property rights, and we do enforce IP in western countries despite other countries not respecting those rights. We could end up where models can only be legally trained with public domain IP, enforced by regulation, royalties, private causes of action, etc. You may like things the way they are, but it's false that "nothing" can be done to change it.

chrisknyfe 3y ago

And yet, Comcast and AT&T will gladly terminate any customer on their network pirating copyrighted works from large corporate owners. It seems to me like we very much can do something about AI infringement.

CaptainFever 3y ago
Does that actually happen often, if you use a VPN or live in one of the countries that don't care about piracy?

JeremyNT 3y ago

> There is nothing that can be done short of terminating the global internet. Sure you could ban it in the US and Europe, but you can't in China, et al. You can't ban it everywhere. You can't ban open source. Ah yes, the Nirvana Falacy. [0] Microsoft, Google, etc are corporations that operate within a legal framework. You can quite readily claw back some of their profits from such ill-gotten gains and redistribute them to the creators who they currently intend to put out of work. "Oh, but some pirate will do it! Oh, but China will do it! So why not let those poor megacorporations do it, too!" So what. The megaorporations who nominally answer to and respect the rule of law are the lion's share of this problem. They can be made to stop. Solve them and you're 90% there, don't get bogged down in the other 10%. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana_fallacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirvana_fallacy