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Why would anyone play chess? Also, why did we all assume that art of all things was the pinnacle of human achievement?

the_af 3y ago
Why wouldn't we assume this? What is the pinnacle of human achievement? I guess anything you say, someone else will claim that's not it either.
- brigadier132 3y ago
  Why would we assume anything? What is the pinnacle of human achievement? Clearly not art if we measure it by how easy it is to automate. Is that why artists took pride in themselves? Because they thought they couldn't be automated? Because some one said that art was important because of feelings?
  - the_af 3y ago
    > Why would we assume anything? [...] What is the pinnacle of human achievement? I dunno, you introduced this line of questioning. You're the one who talked about assumptions. Isn't it up to you to answer it? > Clearly not art if we measure it by how easy it is to automate No, "clearly" nothing. I'm disagreeing with you here. > Because some one said that art was important because of feelings? Is anything that humans do important to you? If so, why? If not, why not? I'm going to show all my cards here: I think the nihilistic view that nothing ultimately matters so why worry about anything at all, and let's concede all battles, is antithetical to human existence. You're not outright espousing this nihilistic worldview, but you're coming quite close in my opinion. If you don't care about art, then pick something you do care about. If you don't care about anything enough, then all debate will be fruitless.
    - brigadier132 3y ago
      > I dunno, you introduced this line of questioning > Why would a kid want to spend thousands of hours practicing with pencil and paper, when they can get a much more impressive result by typing a couple of words on a web site? No I did not introduce this line of questioning. Anyway, it seems like a lot of "meaning" people get out of thing is actually completely based on pride and if there is something out there that can do it better it's not worth doing because their sense of pride is destroyed. In essence, humans reject the potential for a scarcity free paradise because of lack of "meaning" (aka pride). It's almost biblical.
      - the_af 3y ago
        Yes, yes you did. Plus I edited my comment to elaborate more on why I disagree with your comment. Edit: so you don't care about meaning? It's one of the fundamental human traits, I think. Just existing isn't enough for a lot of people, and I disagree there's something biblical about this.
        brigadier132 3y ago
        I care more about peoples lives being better. I didnt introduce this line of questioning. Learn to reread and maybe tjink a little more deeply about the good outcomes of automating intelligence. You just have to be a complete moron to think more intelligence in the world is a bad thing.
        the_af 3y ago
        Ah, insults in reply to polite conversation? Time for me to bow out of this trainwreck of an "argument".
        brigadier132 3y ago
        You were never arguing in good faith anyway, good news is that progress will steamroll your stupid ideals.

Why wouldn't we assume this? What is the pinnacle of human achievement? I guess anything you say, someone else will claim that's not it either.

brigadier132 3y ago
Why would we assume anything? What is the pinnacle of human achievement? Clearly not art if we measure it by how easy it is to automate. Is that why artists took pride in themselves? Because they thought they couldn't be automated? Because some one said that art was important because of feelings?
- the_af 3y ago
  > Why would we assume anything? [...] What is the pinnacle of human achievement? I dunno, you introduced this line of questioning. You're the one who talked about assumptions. Isn't it up to you to answer it? > Clearly not art if we measure it by how easy it is to automate No, "clearly" nothing. I'm disagreeing with you here. > Because some one said that art was important because of feelings? Is anything that humans do important to you? If so, why? If not, why not? I'm going to show all my cards here: I think the nihilistic view that nothing ultimately matters so why worry about anything at all, and let's concede all battles, is antithetical to human existence. You're not outright espousing this nihilistic worldview, but you're coming quite close in my opinion. If you don't care about art, then pick something you do care about. If you don't care about anything enough, then all debate will be fruitless.
  - brigadier132 3y ago
    > I dunno, you introduced this line of questioning > Why would a kid want to spend thousands of hours practicing with pencil and paper, when they can get a much more impressive result by typing a couple of words on a web site? No I did not introduce this line of questioning. Anyway, it seems like a lot of "meaning" people get out of thing is actually completely based on pride and if there is something out there that can do it better it's not worth doing because their sense of pride is destroyed. In essence, humans reject the potential for a scarcity free paradise because of lack of "meaning" (aka pride). It's almost biblical.
    - the_af 3y ago
      Yes, yes you did. Plus I edited my comment to elaborate more on why I disagree with your comment. Edit: so you don't care about meaning? It's one of the fundamental human traits, I think. Just existing isn't enough for a lot of people, and I disagree there's something biblical about this.
      - brigadier132 3y ago
        I care more about peoples lives being better. I didnt introduce this line of questioning. Learn to reread and maybe tjink a little more deeply about the good outcomes of automating intelligence. You just have to be a complete moron to think more intelligence in the world is a bad thing.
        the_af 3y ago
        Ah, insults in reply to polite conversation? Time for me to bow out of this trainwreck of an "argument".
        brigadier132 3y ago
        You were never arguing in good faith anyway, good news is that progress will steamroll your stupid ideals.