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So you're saying that, we should stop pursuing art and prose? Because when you fine tune midjourney with 30 or so images of an artist, it can create any image w

So you're saying that, we should stop pursuing art and prose? Because when you fine tune midjourney with 30 or so images of an artist, it can create any image with the artist's style. You removed the value and authenticity that artist in 30 minutes, you applauded it, and defended that it should be the norm. OK then, we can close down all entertainment business, and generate everything with AI, because it can mimic styles, clone sounds, animate things with gaussian splats, and so on. Maybe we can hire coders to "code" films? Oh sorry. ChatGPT can do that too. So we need a keypad then, only the most wealthy can press. Press 1 for a movie, 2 for a new music album, 3 for a new book, and so on. We need 10 buttons or so, as far as I can see. Maybe I can ask ChatGPT 4 to code one for me.

gedy 3y ago
> Because when you fine tune midjourney with 30 or so images of an artist, it can create any image with the artist's style. Artists style is not copyrightable, at least in the US. And if they changed that because of "AI"? My word, the lawsuits that would arise between artists...
- bayindirh 3y ago
  Doesn't matter. You pay the artist for their style of rendering things. Consider XKCD, PHD Comics, Userfriendly, etc. At least 50% of the charm is the style, remaining 50% is the characters and the story arc. You can't copyright style of a Rolex, but people pay a fortune to get the real deal. Same thing. > My word, the lawsuits that would arise between artists... Artists imitate/copy artists as a compliment, at least in illustration and comics world. Unless you do it in bad faith, I don't think artists gonna do that. Artists have a sense of humor to begin with, because art is making fun of this world, in a sense.
  - beernutz 3y ago
    No, you pay them for the finished product. The STYLE is independent. Lots of artists have similar styles. They don't all pay each other for copying their styles.
    - bayindirh 3y ago
      Every artist has their own style, because it's their way of creating the product. Pixar, Disney and Dreamworks have different styles, same for actors, writers, and designers, too. You can generally tell who made what by reading, looking, listening, etc. I can recognize a song by Deep Purple or John Mayer or Metallica, just by their guitar tone, or their mastering profile (yes, your ear can recognize that), in a couple of seconds. If style was that easy, we could have 50 Picassos, 200 John Mayers, 45 Ara Gulers (A photographer) which you can't tell them apart, but it doesn't work that way. XKCD took a couple of guest artists because of personal reasons. It was very evident, even if the drawing style was the same. People, art, and hand made things are much more complex than it looks. Many programmers forget because everything is rendered with their favorite font, but no two hand-made thing is ever the same. Eat the same recipe from two different cooks, even if you measure the ingredients independently and give them beforehand, you'll have different tastes. Style is a reflection of who you are. You can maybe imitate it, but you can't be it. Heck, even two people implementing the same algorithm in the same programming language doesn't write the same thing.
      - nkohari 3y ago
        > Style is a reflection of who you are. You can maybe imitate it, but you can't be it. Isn't this an argument that AI-generated artwork will never be more than a lesser facsimile? That'd suggest that human-made works will always be more sought-after, because they're authentic.
        bayindirh 3y ago
        It'll be, and human made things will always be better and more sought-after, however capitalism doesn't work that way. When the replacements become "good enough", it'll push the better things because of being cheaper and 90% being there. I have some hand-made items and they're a treat to hold and use. They perform way better than their mass produced ones, they last longer, they feel human, and no, they're not inferior in quality. In fact it's the opposite, but most of them are not cheap, and when you want to maximize profits, you need to reduce your costs, ideally to zero.
Wissenschafter 3y ago
"So you're saying that, we should stop pursuing art and prose?", no, it becomes a hobby like any other. People still sew for fun.
- bayindirh 3y ago
  Great, hold on, I'm calling Hollywood to tell that all they do is a hobby now. ...and the writers' guild, too.
  - crazygringo 3y ago
    Well obviously AI isn't at the level of replacing Hollywood yet. But once it is? I mean, yeah, it'll replace Hollywood. People will tell Netflix, "hey I want a move about X in the style of Y and I want Z to star in it", and bam -- your own bespoke movie. I mean, once the capability's there, it's just inevitable. And yeah -- acting will become a hobby, just like sewing is today.
    - bayindirh 3y ago
      Honestly, that'll be boring. I don't want to be a star of a movie, that's not what pulls me in. I want to see what the person has imagined, what the story carries from the author, what the humans in it added to it and what they got out of it. When I read a book, I look from another human's eyes, with their thoughts and imagination. That's interesting and life-changing actually. Also, the author's life and inner world leaks into the thing they created. The most notable example for me is Neon Genesis Evangelion. The psychological aspects of it (which hits very hard actually) is a reflection of Hideaki Anno's clinical depression. You can't fake this even if you want. This is what makes human creation special. It's a precipitation of a thousand and one thing in an unforeseen way, and this is what feeds us, albeit we are not aware of this and love to deny it at the same time.
      - Wissenschafter 3y ago
        "This is what makes human creation special.", that's a load of garbage. There is nothing inherently special about human creation. Some AI artwork I've seen is incredible, the fact it was AI generated didn't change its being an incredible piece of art. Thinking our creation has some kind of 'specialness' to it is like believing in a soul, or some other stupid thing. It's pure hubris.

gedy 3y ago

> Because when you fine tune midjourney with 30 or so images of an artist, it can create any image with the artist's style. Artists style is not copyrightable, at least in the US. And if they changed that because of "AI"? My word, the lawsuits that would arise between artists...

bayindirh 3y ago
Doesn't matter. You pay the artist for their style of rendering things. Consider XKCD, PHD Comics, Userfriendly, etc. At least 50% of the charm is the style, remaining 50% is the characters and the story arc. You can't copyright style of a Rolex, but people pay a fortune to get the real deal. Same thing. > My word, the lawsuits that would arise between artists... Artists imitate/copy artists as a compliment, at least in illustration and comics world. Unless you do it in bad faith, I don't think artists gonna do that. Artists have a sense of humor to begin with, because art is making fun of this world, in a sense.
- beernutz 3y ago
  No, you pay them for the finished product. The STYLE is independent. Lots of artists have similar styles. They don't all pay each other for copying their styles.
  - bayindirh 3y ago
    Every artist has their own style, because it's their way of creating the product. Pixar, Disney and Dreamworks have different styles, same for actors, writers, and designers, too. You can generally tell who made what by reading, looking, listening, etc. I can recognize a song by Deep Purple or John Mayer or Metallica, just by their guitar tone, or their mastering profile (yes, your ear can recognize that), in a couple of seconds. If style was that easy, we could have 50 Picassos, 200 John Mayers, 45 Ara Gulers (A photographer) which you can't tell them apart, but it doesn't work that way. XKCD took a couple of guest artists because of personal reasons. It was very evident, even if the drawing style was the same. People, art, and hand made things are much more complex than it looks. Many programmers forget because everything is rendered with their favorite font, but no two hand-made thing is ever the same. Eat the same recipe from two different cooks, even if you measure the ingredients independently and give them beforehand, you'll have different tastes. Style is a reflection of who you are. You can maybe imitate it, but you can't be it. Heck, even two people implementing the same algorithm in the same programming language doesn't write the same thing.
    - nkohari 3y ago
      > Style is a reflection of who you are. You can maybe imitate it, but you can't be it. Isn't this an argument that AI-generated artwork will never be more than a lesser facsimile? That'd suggest that human-made works will always be more sought-after, because they're authentic.
      - bayindirh 3y ago
        It'll be, and human made things will always be better and more sought-after, however capitalism doesn't work that way. When the replacements become "good enough", it'll push the better things because of being cheaper and 90% being there. I have some hand-made items and they're a treat to hold and use. They perform way better than their mass produced ones, they last longer, they feel human, and no, they're not inferior in quality. In fact it's the opposite, but most of them are not cheap, and when you want to maximize profits, you need to reduce your costs, ideally to zero.

Wissenschafter 3y ago

"So you're saying that, we should stop pursuing art and prose?", no, it becomes a hobby like any other. People still sew for fun.

bayindirh 3y ago
Great, hold on, I'm calling Hollywood to tell that all they do is a hobby now. ...and the writers' guild, too.
- crazygringo 3y ago
  Well obviously AI isn't at the level of replacing Hollywood yet. But once it is? I mean, yeah, it'll replace Hollywood. People will tell Netflix, "hey I want a move about X in the style of Y and I want Z to star in it", and bam -- your own bespoke movie. I mean, once the capability's there, it's just inevitable. And yeah -- acting will become a hobby, just like sewing is today.
  - bayindirh 3y ago
    Honestly, that'll be boring. I don't want to be a star of a movie, that's not what pulls me in. I want to see what the person has imagined, what the story carries from the author, what the humans in it added to it and what they got out of it. When I read a book, I look from another human's eyes, with their thoughts and imagination. That's interesting and life-changing actually. Also, the author's life and inner world leaks into the thing they created. The most notable example for me is Neon Genesis Evangelion. The psychological aspects of it (which hits very hard actually) is a reflection of Hideaki Anno's clinical depression. You can't fake this even if you want. This is what makes human creation special. It's a precipitation of a thousand and one thing in an unforeseen way, and this is what feeds us, albeit we are not aware of this and love to deny it at the same time.
    - Wissenschafter 3y ago
      "This is what makes human creation special.", that's a load of garbage. There is nothing inherently special about human creation. Some AI artwork I've seen is incredible, the fact it was AI generated didn't change its being an incredible piece of art. Thinking our creation has some kind of 'specialness' to it is like believing in a soul, or some other stupid thing. It's pure hubris.