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This is an understandable but at the same time petty feeling to be attached to. Progress is more important than your right to limit the uses of your work.

itishappy 3y ago
> Progress is more important than your right to... Hard no. We progress civilization so that we (as humans) may benefit. Progress at any cost is pathological, see universal paperclips as the extreme example.
- rafaelero 3y ago
  I don't think we even have a choice here. It's unstopable.
  - kelseyfrog 3y ago
    Human laws are not natural products of the universe. It was a mistake to accept the validity of Aquinas and Hobbes arguments because we end up with conclusions like this. The concept of intellectual property is a legal fiction, a fabrication invented from whole cloth and somehow we've ended up here where it's assumed part of the natural universe. When we reverse the direction of laws from being products of human creation to reflecting the laws of the universe we're forgetting the power of their authors and in turn giving up one our agency in drafting laws from myriad possibilities, any number of which, if had been picked by chance, would have been equally erased in authorship and told to us was a natural, universal, unstoppable law.
    - rafaelero 3y ago
      You have a three line sentence. Come on. Write clearer. The reason I said it is unstopable is not because of a philosophical/deterministic argument. It was a figure to speech to verbalize the fact that the incentives are so strong for allowing AI to use copyright data that going against it would be a societal backwards decision. Similar to what avoiding agriculture was for previous societies that don't exist anymore.
      - kelseyfrog 3y ago
        I crafted an argument which is impossible to refute. Luckily for you I wrote a different set of words that you took literally(how silly of you). You're more than welcome to still try though.
        rafaelero 3y ago
        Ok
  - chrisknyfe 3y ago
    Comcast and AT&T are plenty willing to cut off my internet if I pirate popular shows. Don't see why they can't just cut off infringing AI companies... and nations.
    - Workaccount2 3y ago
      Training on copyrighted data is not a violation of copyright. Generating images in the style of an artist is not a violation of copyright. Generating copies of copyrighted images is a violation of copyright. AI companies only have to address the last point here, which frankly shouldn't be too hard.

itishappy 3y ago

> Progress is more important than your right to... Hard no. We progress civilization so that we (as humans) may benefit. Progress at any cost is pathological, see universal paperclips as the extreme example.

rafaelero 3y ago
I don't think we even have a choice here. It's unstopable.
- kelseyfrog 3y ago
  Human laws are not natural products of the universe. It was a mistake to accept the validity of Aquinas and Hobbes arguments because we end up with conclusions like this. The concept of intellectual property is a legal fiction, a fabrication invented from whole cloth and somehow we've ended up here where it's assumed part of the natural universe. When we reverse the direction of laws from being products of human creation to reflecting the laws of the universe we're forgetting the power of their authors and in turn giving up one our agency in drafting laws from myriad possibilities, any number of which, if had been picked by chance, would have been equally erased in authorship and told to us was a natural, universal, unstoppable law.
  - rafaelero 3y ago
    You have a three line sentence. Come on. Write clearer. The reason I said it is unstopable is not because of a philosophical/deterministic argument. It was a figure to speech to verbalize the fact that the incentives are so strong for allowing AI to use copyright data that going against it would be a societal backwards decision. Similar to what avoiding agriculture was for previous societies that don't exist anymore.
    - kelseyfrog 3y ago
      I crafted an argument which is impossible to refute. Luckily for you I wrote a different set of words that you took literally(how silly of you). You're more than welcome to still try though.
      - rafaelero 3y ago
        Ok
- chrisknyfe 3y ago
  Comcast and AT&T are plenty willing to cut off my internet if I pirate popular shows. Don't see why they can't just cut off infringing AI companies... and nations.
  - Workaccount2 3y ago
    Training on copyrighted data is not a violation of copyright. Generating images in the style of an artist is not a violation of copyright. Generating copies of copyrighted images is a violation of copyright. AI companies only have to address the last point here, which frankly shouldn't be too hard.