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I get what you're saying, but why hasn't a better search engine emerged yet? Bing's AI shows some promise, but I can't find anything better than Google. DuckDu

I get what you're saying, but why hasn't a better search engine emerged yet? Bing's AI shows some promise, but I can't find anything better than Google. DuckDuckGo is shit. Classic Bing is shit. Brave Search showed promise, but it's also full of spam and with a smaller index. Marginalia showed some promise for smaller websites, but it's small, too. All of them are unusable for local searches, except for Google, which is where I need search most. That and searching for obscure programming-related error messages. Kagi doesn't even use it's own index, you're basically paying for a UI making API calls to Bing and Google. How well does changing the ranking work anyway, if you don't have your own index? I want to believe that if Google were more aligned with users, search would be better. But where is that better search engine to showcase it? Do a poll on HN. I bet that the vast majority of users here still use Google's search, and you can't blame HN users of not knowing of alternatives. If Google really keeps its market share due to their monopoly, where is that better option that's being ignored? Tell me and I'll jump on it.

Spivak 3y ago
I know it's been mentioned in this thread but Kagi is a gods damn breath of fresh air compared to the current public search engines. They had a short outage recently and having to go back to Google for 30 minutes was painful. I have no idea what their secret sauce is (likely just being different from Google's algo that's SSO'd to death is enough) but it's now the easiest $10 I spend a month.
mrkramer 3y ago
>I get what you're saying, but why hasn't a better search engine emerged yet? Although Moore's law brought down the price of hardware and information processing dramatically in the last 20 years, it is still fairly expensive to crawl the Web, index it and rank it. Hardware cost + engineering cost can escalate pretty quickly, unless you decide to have smaller index than major search engines but then users will complain that search results are not good enough.
vitorgrs 3y ago
Bing Deep Search is interesting.

Spivak 3y ago

I know it's been mentioned in this thread but Kagi is a gods damn breath of fresh air compared to the current public search engines. They had a short outage recently and having to go back to Google for 30 minutes was painful. I have no idea what their secret sauce is (likely just being different from Google's algo that's SSO'd to death is enough) but it's now the easiest $10 I spend a month.

mrkramer 3y ago

>I get what you're saying, but why hasn't a better search engine emerged yet? Although Moore's law brought down the price of hardware and information processing dramatically in the last 20 years, it is still fairly expensive to crawl the Web, index it and rank it. Hardware cost + engineering cost can escalate pretty quickly, unless you decide to have smaller index than major search engines but then users will complain that search results are not good enough.

vitorgrs 3y ago

Bing Deep Search is interesting.