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How does that work if you want to get an android phone or Samsung tablet or windows laptop at some point?

rootusrootus 3y ago
If you go all-in on an ecosystem there's going to be pain if you decide to jump to another ecosystem. You can avoid some of that by using 1Password (I'm sure there are others as well). It integrates just fine with iOS.
- appplication 3y ago
  I used to feel this way and used LastPass, which did not end well.
gryn 3y ago
you don't, that's the whole apple strategy lock-in your average younger, non technical person so much that they find it 'an ick' to have to interact with an android user.
EnragedParrot 3y ago
It doesn't, but I've used Apple stuff for going on 25 years now and it is doubtful I will care to move to something different any time soon, so it works for me. Always the tradeoff with Apple is choice and flexibility versus a seamless and pleasant user experience.
efitz 3y ago
I love the Apple ecosystem, however I always have a low level of dread that someday I will somehow offend them and be permanently blacklisted. This is the main reason I've drawn the line at using their password manager or email - I use separate email and separate password manager so that in a worst case situation I don't get locked out of everything.
- MDWolinski 3y ago
  Not to be argumentative, just wondering, has there been a case related to iCloud access that Apple has ever blacklisted someone? Certainly, I've heard of Meta and other companies doing not, but don't recall Apple outside of security confirmation issues people are having.
  - al_borland 3y ago
    If you have 2FA and lose all your 2FA methods, and didn’t preplan by making a recovery key and storing it in a safe place you can find again… you can be screwed. It’s not a blacklist, but the net result is the same. I’m terrified of losing access to all my stuff because of forced 2FA I never signed up for. I get that it’s more secure, but it can be secure to the point of having unrecoverable data. All it would take is someone carelessly deciding to get a new phone number. I have a friend who recently talked about wanting to get a new number with his new phone. I asked about 2FA and he seemed to have no knowledge of it and said he didn’t have anything like that. He kept his number, but if he didn’t, I could see him easily getting locked out of his Apple account (which he has), and his bank.
    - Aerbil313 3y ago
      Setting up a recovery key for an Apple ID is optional. You can still recover your Apple ID. Apple will ask for information that can identify you, like previous iPhone passwords etc. If you have hit your head to a wall and can’t remember literally anything afair you are asked to wait some <1 week amount of time before being able to access, to prevent account fraud. The process is so complex and evolving I’m probably wrong on many things, but the idea is: Apple ID isn’t a footgun for the user. If you have recovery keys enabled, it’s a different story. Enabling screen clearly states that you can get locked out of your account without your recovery key. You can set up recovery accounts too, like those of your family members.
  - efitz 3y ago
    Apple blacklisted Parler in January 2020. Of course, they were an app store app, not a user, but they established the precedent that they ban for political views they don't like.

If you go all-in on an ecosystem there's going to be pain if you decide to jump to another ecosystem. You can avoid some of that by using 1Password (I'm sure there are others as well). It integrates just fine with iOS.

appplication 3y ago
I used to feel this way and used LastPass, which did not end well.

gryn 3y ago

you don't, that's the whole apple strategy lock-in your average younger, non technical person so much that they find it 'an ick' to have to interact with an android user.

EnragedParrot 3y ago

It doesn't, but I've used Apple stuff for going on 25 years now and it is doubtful I will care to move to something different any time soon, so it works for me. Always the tradeoff with Apple is choice and flexibility versus a seamless and pleasant user experience.

efitz 3y ago

I love the Apple ecosystem, however I always have a low level of dread that someday I will somehow offend them and be permanently blacklisted. This is the main reason I've drawn the line at using their password manager or email - I use separate email and separate password manager so that in a worst case situation I don't get locked out of everything.

MDWolinski 3y ago
Not to be argumentative, just wondering, has there been a case related to iCloud access that Apple has ever blacklisted someone? Certainly, I've heard of Meta and other companies doing not, but don't recall Apple outside of security confirmation issues people are having.
- al_borland 3y ago
  If you have 2FA and lose all your 2FA methods, and didn’t preplan by making a recovery key and storing it in a safe place you can find again… you can be screwed. It’s not a blacklist, but the net result is the same. I’m terrified of losing access to all my stuff because of forced 2FA I never signed up for. I get that it’s more secure, but it can be secure to the point of having unrecoverable data. All it would take is someone carelessly deciding to get a new phone number. I have a friend who recently talked about wanting to get a new number with his new phone. I asked about 2FA and he seemed to have no knowledge of it and said he didn’t have anything like that. He kept his number, but if he didn’t, I could see him easily getting locked out of his Apple account (which he has), and his bank.
  - Aerbil313 3y ago
    Setting up a recovery key for an Apple ID is optional. You can still recover your Apple ID. Apple will ask for information that can identify you, like previous iPhone passwords etc. If you have hit your head to a wall and can’t remember literally anything afair you are asked to wait some <1 week amount of time before being able to access, to prevent account fraud. The process is so complex and evolving I’m probably wrong on many things, but the idea is: Apple ID isn’t a footgun for the user. If you have recovery keys enabled, it’s a different story. Enabling screen clearly states that you can get locked out of your account without your recovery key. You can set up recovery accounts too, like those of your family members.
- efitz 3y ago
  Apple blacklisted Parler in January 2020. Of course, they were an app store app, not a user, but they established the precedent that they ban for political views they don't like.