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Men and women being held as exactly the same for ideological reasons is just as foolish as Victorian rangers killing all the wolves, because wolves are bad. The

Men and women being held as exactly the same for ideological reasons is just as foolish as Victorian rangers killing all the wolves, because wolves are bad. There are clearly biological differences on average, or in some cases, in an overwhelming majority of cases. But to your point, women certainly aren't fundamentally innocent.

arghwhat 3y ago
Differences in male and female behavior being attributed to biological differences is just as foolish as considering the world flat, because "that's what we know is true". Males and females are known to take on similar activities and exhibit similar behaviors, showing that the stereotypical behaviors were not caused by the underlying biology. But yes, there are certainly biological differences. (Apologies for copying your style of argument, I couldn't help myself.)
- stcredzero 3y ago
  Differences in male and female behavior being attributed to biological differences is just as foolish as considering the world flat I think you need to look in the mirror for flat-earth-esque attributes there. (Or maybe young earth is a better analogy?) Are you saying all biology citing male-female differences in animals is also false? Or are you saying that human are somehow exempt because of our intelligence? Smells like ideological wishing! (Apologies for copying your style of argument, I couldn't help myself.) You're missing a key point of the analogy here. Left as a self-awareness exercise to the student.
  - arghwhat 3y ago
    If you are using the presence of differences not related to ours in other species as proof that our common differences in our behavior is biological, then it's going to be uphill from here. Animal behaviors are all over the place. E.g., lionesses being the hunters, female apes reversing their rear ends into the faces of every male in the group until one bites, birds where the male is usually responsible for the chicks, female insects being much larger and eating the male, female fish absorbing the entire male to become a permanent part of their body, and animals that can change their sex at will. Unless you feel a need to groom your friends fur for bugs to eat, I wouldn't use other species as models for human behavior. --- There are biological differences between the sexes, but when both sexes exhibit same behavior and preferences (even if numbers differ) despite positive enforcement of stereotypical behavior and preferences, then that is pretty conclusive evidence contrary to those being biological in nature. The differences will at most, introduce a bias in the distribution. Similar to the other arguments about sports. --- Now, as a fun exercise, try reading just these last two paragraphs between the lines, and see how the snarkiness at the beginning of my comment added nothing substantial but just detracted from the argument, making you upset and unreceptive from the start. This was the same I was trying to (but failed) to exemplify when I copied the format of your previous comment. Right or wrong, it doesn't help get a message across. Either way, that's all from here. Have a nice day.
    - stcredzero 3y ago
      Animal behaviors are all over the place. E.g., lionesses being the hunters, female apes reversing their rear ends into the faces of every male in the group until one bites, birds where the male Arrgh. No, human behaviors don't have to be the same across species. Who in their right mind holds THAT opinion!? Okay lose big points for good faith and intellectual honesty. The differences will at most, introduce a bias in the distribution. Sure! Now, as a fun exercise, try reading just these last two paragraphs between the lines, and see how the snarkiness at the beginning of my comment added nothing substantial but just detracted from the argument, making you upset and unreceptive from the start. You seriously need a mirror. Project much? This was the same I was trying to (but failed) to exemplify when I copied the format of your previous comment. Right or wrong, it doesn't help get a message across. Arrgh. Would you please go back and re-read!? Please try and find your projection! What you phrase of mine as an "argument," isn't, and shows exactly where you're making it! Basically, you projected me saying something was your position, then mistakenly proceeded whatever this stuff above was.

arghwhat 3y ago

Differences in male and female behavior being attributed to biological differences is just as foolish as considering the world flat, because "that's what we know is true". Males and females are known to take on similar activities and exhibit similar behaviors, showing that the stereotypical behaviors were not caused by the underlying biology. But yes, there are certainly biological differences. (Apologies for copying your style of argument, I couldn't help myself.)

stcredzero 3y ago
Differences in male and female behavior being attributed to biological differences is just as foolish as considering the world flat I think you need to look in the mirror for flat-earth-esque attributes there. (Or maybe young earth is a better analogy?) Are you saying all biology citing male-female differences in animals is also false? Or are you saying that human are somehow exempt because of our intelligence? Smells like ideological wishing! (Apologies for copying your style of argument, I couldn't help myself.) You're missing a key point of the analogy here. Left as a self-awareness exercise to the student.
- arghwhat 3y ago
  If you are using the presence of differences not related to ours in other species as proof that our common differences in our behavior is biological, then it's going to be uphill from here. Animal behaviors are all over the place. E.g., lionesses being the hunters, female apes reversing their rear ends into the faces of every male in the group until one bites, birds where the male is usually responsible for the chicks, female insects being much larger and eating the male, female fish absorbing the entire male to become a permanent part of their body, and animals that can change their sex at will. Unless you feel a need to groom your friends fur for bugs to eat, I wouldn't use other species as models for human behavior. --- There are biological differences between the sexes, but when both sexes exhibit same behavior and preferences (even if numbers differ) despite positive enforcement of stereotypical behavior and preferences, then that is pretty conclusive evidence contrary to those being biological in nature. The differences will at most, introduce a bias in the distribution. Similar to the other arguments about sports. --- Now, as a fun exercise, try reading just these last two paragraphs between the lines, and see how the snarkiness at the beginning of my comment added nothing substantial but just detracted from the argument, making you upset and unreceptive from the start. This was the same I was trying to (but failed) to exemplify when I copied the format of your previous comment. Right or wrong, it doesn't help get a message across. Either way, that's all from here. Have a nice day.
  - stcredzero 3y ago
    Animal behaviors are all over the place. E.g., lionesses being the hunters, female apes reversing their rear ends into the faces of every male in the group until one bites, birds where the male Arrgh. No, human behaviors don't have to be the same across species. Who in their right mind holds THAT opinion!? Okay lose big points for good faith and intellectual honesty. The differences will at most, introduce a bias in the distribution. Sure! Now, as a fun exercise, try reading just these last two paragraphs between the lines, and see how the snarkiness at the beginning of my comment added nothing substantial but just detracted from the argument, making you upset and unreceptive from the start. You seriously need a mirror. Project much? This was the same I was trying to (but failed) to exemplify when I copied the format of your previous comment. Right or wrong, it doesn't help get a message across. Arrgh. Would you please go back and re-read!? Please try and find your projection! What you phrase of mine as an "argument," isn't, and shows exactly where you're making it! Basically, you projected me saying something was your position, then mistakenly proceeded whatever this stuff above was.