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Not including climate change in their study was a huge miss. Saying the midwest is going to face population decline when frankly, the great lakes region is lik

Not including climate change in their study was a huge miss. Saying the midwest is going to face population decline when frankly, the great lakes region is likely to boom as people look for an area that doesn't have as many heat waves and has a plentiful fresh water supply. Edit: I never said the great lakes region would be immune to climate change, just one of the best places to migrate to in the continental us

J_Shelby_J 3y ago
The Midwest is a continental climate. It will and does have heat waves.
- wing-_-nuts 3y ago
  Everywhere has heat waves. British Columbia was thought to be the safest place on the planet from climate change but the heat waves a few years ago, and it's steadily declining snow pack put that idea very much in question. If we carry on business as usual, millions of people will be looking for the safest port in the storm, and the great lakes region is one of 3 regions in the US that I think will have a large influx of climate migrants, especially by 2100.
jjulius 3y ago
So, about how they don't have that many heat waves[0]: >Increased heat wave intensity and frequency, increased humidity, degraded air quality, and reduced water quality will increase public health risks. >More than 20 million people in the Midwest already breathe air that fails to meet national ambient air quality standards. >Air quality is expected to get worse with higher temperatures, due to both human-induced emissions and longer pollen seasons. >The frequency of major heat waves in the Midwest has increased over the last six decades. Between 1980 and 2010, the rate of warming in the Midwest increased three times as quickly as it did from 1900 to 2010. >Extreme rainfall events and flooding have increased during the last century, and these trends are expected tocontinue across the entire region. In the Midwest, when it rains, it will – more and more frequently – pour. What about that "plentiful fresh water supply"? >These lake surface temperatures are projected to rise by as much as 7°F by 2050 and 12.1°F by 2100. >Higher temperatures, increased precipitation, and lengthened growing seasons are likely to result in increased production of blue-green and toxic algae in the lakes. Blooms of these algae can harm fish, water quality, habitats, and aesthetics—and could worsen the impact of invasive species.[1] [0]https://www.edf.org/sites/default/files/content/regional_releases_midwest.pdf https://www.edf.org/sites/default/files/content/regional_rel... [1]https://toolkit.climate.gov/regions/great-lakes https://toolkit.climate.gov/regions/great-lakes
- wing-_-nuts 3y ago
  I didn't say the great lakes region would be without issues. I said it would be one of best regions to move to. If you think the great lakes will be bad, I shudder to think of everything below the mason dixon line
- ericmay 3y ago
  > So, about how they don't have that many heat waves[0] Yes... but compared to where? > What about that "plentiful fresh water supply"? Even at higher temperatures and increases in algae the Great Lakes are still there and can still provide fresh water.
walthamstow 3y ago
I constantly think of this 2020 ProPublica analysis which basically said I should move to Vermont to save my family from climate change https://projects.propublica.org/climate-migration/ https://projects.propublica.org/climate-migration/
- wing-_-nuts 3y ago
  Ironically, Vermont along lake Champlain is another region that's likely to be highly resilient to climate change, yes.
- jassyr 3y ago
  Is there a similar report for Europe?
  - walthamstow 3y ago
    I wish. I live in London. Ireland, Northern England and Scotland will probably do quite well.I joke to my northern wife that one day we'll have a summer home in Yorkshire. Bad news is this island could have 80m people on it by then.
  - wing-_-nuts 3y ago
    Look for anywhere with an oceanic climate. Ironically, much of Europe will do fairly well, climate wise, you just have a much higher population density to contend with.
GenerWork 3y ago
>the great lakes region is likely to boom as people look for an area that doesn't have as many heat waves and has a plentiful fresh water supply. This take, combined with the ever prevalent "Housing is so much cheaper in the Midwest" has been said so much that at this point I regard it as nothing more than pro-Midwest propaganda.
- wing-_-nuts 3y ago
  Oh I'm sure there's a certain amount of boosterism at play but I can't say they're wrong.
  - GenerWork 3y ago
    My issue is that I've heard the cheap housing line for over a decade at this point, but other areas of the country are growing much faster despite having higher housing prices. I lived in Michigan for 7 years and was fed the whole "This is the year of Detroits resurgence" line the whole time I lived there. Now, I'm not going to say that Detroit hasn't improved a lot, but the way people talked about Detroit, you'd think that it was due for Austin levels of growth for at least a decade.
    - wing-_-nuts 3y ago
      The area has cheap housing, mainly because it doesn't have high paying jobs. If you could move there with a remote tech job, you'd live like a king. Otherwise? Not so much.
      - GenerWork 3y ago
        >If you could move there with a remote tech job, you'd live like a king. While I lived in SE Michigan, the main city that was targeted by remote workers wasn't Detroit, it was Ann Arbor. Housing prices there were already elevated due to U of M, but they spiked up more than surrounding areas did during the abnormally low interest rate era. People weren't moving to Livonia or Taylor despite the fact that they had lower housing prices than Ann Arbor because they wanted Ann Arbors amenities. Now, you won't have a bad life, but living like a king may be a bit too far unless you move outside of the well known areas.
slillibri 3y ago
Regarding the “plentiful fresh water”, when I lived in Grand Rapids, Michigan there were more restrictive water usage regulations than when I lived in Phoenix, Arizona. The lakes can’t be drawn on without affecting shipping, and money trumps environment.

J_Shelby_J 3y ago

The Midwest is a continental climate. It will and does have heat waves.

wing-_-nuts 3y ago
Everywhere has heat waves. British Columbia was thought to be the safest place on the planet from climate change but the heat waves a few years ago, and it's steadily declining snow pack put that idea very much in question. If we carry on business as usual, millions of people will be looking for the safest port in the storm, and the great lakes region is one of 3 regions in the US that I think will have a large influx of climate migrants, especially by 2100.

jjulius 3y ago

So, about how they don't have that many heat waves[0]: >Increased heat wave intensity and frequency, increased humidity, degraded air quality, and reduced water quality will increase public health risks. >More than 20 million people in the Midwest already breathe air that fails to meet national ambient air quality standards. >Air quality is expected to get worse with higher temperatures, due to both human-induced emissions and longer pollen seasons. >The frequency of major heat waves in the Midwest has increased over the last six decades. Between 1980 and 2010, the rate of warming in the Midwest increased three times as quickly as it did from 1900 to 2010. >Extreme rainfall events and flooding have increased during the last century, and these trends are expected tocontinue across the entire region. In the Midwest, when it rains, it will – more and more frequently – pour. What about that "plentiful fresh water supply"? >These lake surface temperatures are projected to rise by as much as 7°F by 2050 and 12.1°F by 2100. >Higher temperatures, increased precipitation, and lengthened growing seasons are likely to result in increased production of blue-green and toxic algae in the lakes. Blooms of these algae can harm fish, water quality, habitats, and aesthetics—and could worsen the impact of invasive species.[1] [0]https://www.edf.org/sites/default/files/content/regional_releases_midwest.pdf https://www.edf.org/sites/default/files/content/regional_rel... [1]https://toolkit.climate.gov/regions/great-lakes https://toolkit.climate.gov/regions/great-lakes

wing-_-nuts 3y ago
I didn't say the great lakes region would be without issues. I said it would be one of best regions to move to. If you think the great lakes will be bad, I shudder to think of everything below the mason dixon line
ericmay 3y ago
> So, about how they don't have that many heat waves[0] Yes... but compared to where? > What about that "plentiful fresh water supply"? Even at higher temperatures and increases in algae the Great Lakes are still there and can still provide fresh water.

walthamstow 3y ago

I constantly think of this 2020 ProPublica analysis which basically said I should move to Vermont to save my family from climate change https://projects.propublica.org/climate-migration/ https://projects.propublica.org/climate-migration/

wing-_-nuts 3y ago
Ironically, Vermont along lake Champlain is another region that's likely to be highly resilient to climate change, yes.
jassyr 3y ago
Is there a similar report for Europe?
- walthamstow 3y ago
  I wish. I live in London. Ireland, Northern England and Scotland will probably do quite well.I joke to my northern wife that one day we'll have a summer home in Yorkshire. Bad news is this island could have 80m people on it by then.
- wing-_-nuts 3y ago
  Look for anywhere with an oceanic climate. Ironically, much of Europe will do fairly well, climate wise, you just have a much higher population density to contend with.

GenerWork 3y ago

>the great lakes region is likely to boom as people look for an area that doesn't have as many heat waves and has a plentiful fresh water supply. This take, combined with the ever prevalent "Housing is so much cheaper in the Midwest" has been said so much that at this point I regard it as nothing more than pro-Midwest propaganda.

wing-_-nuts 3y ago
Oh I'm sure there's a certain amount of boosterism at play but I can't say they're wrong.
- GenerWork 3y ago
  My issue is that I've heard the cheap housing line for over a decade at this point, but other areas of the country are growing much faster despite having higher housing prices. I lived in Michigan for 7 years and was fed the whole "This is the year of Detroits resurgence" line the whole time I lived there. Now, I'm not going to say that Detroit hasn't improved a lot, but the way people talked about Detroit, you'd think that it was due for Austin levels of growth for at least a decade.
  - wing-_-nuts 3y ago
    The area has cheap housing, mainly because it doesn't have high paying jobs. If you could move there with a remote tech job, you'd live like a king. Otherwise? Not so much.
    - GenerWork 3y ago
      >If you could move there with a remote tech job, you'd live like a king. While I lived in SE Michigan, the main city that was targeted by remote workers wasn't Detroit, it was Ann Arbor. Housing prices there were already elevated due to U of M, but they spiked up more than surrounding areas did during the abnormally low interest rate era. People weren't moving to Livonia or Taylor despite the fact that they had lower housing prices than Ann Arbor because they wanted Ann Arbors amenities. Now, you won't have a bad life, but living like a king may be a bit too far unless you move outside of the well known areas.

slillibri 3y ago

Regarding the “plentiful fresh water”, when I lived in Grand Rapids, Michigan there were more restrictive water usage regulations than when I lived in Phoenix, Arizona. The lakes can’t be drawn on without affecting shipping, and money trumps environment.