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I think the idea behind content addressable databases like this is that they are supposed to be permanent. Putting it out into space may be a way of saying "its

I think the idea behind content addressable databases like this is that they are supposed to be permanent. Putting it out into space may be a way of saying "its never going down".

diggan 3y ago
Worth noting that content-addressing is not meant to help making the data itself permanent, but it does help with making the identifier of the content permanent. It doesn't guarantee that the content the ID resolves to is available, but once you have a content-addressable ID, you can be sure you'll be able to get the data as long as the data is available somewhere on the network.
Yizahi 3y ago
Most likely and obfuscation technique, they (IPFS people) are afraid to admit that there is no guarantee about file preservation there at all (unless you pay to people hosting your files specifically) and cache eviction may happen to your file at any time, so they try to shout all across the internet how their tech is so reliable and great to drown any dissent. Scary and important looking headlines like "Something In Space" help to instill superficial respect in the tech.
- wegfawefgawefg 3y ago
  I have uploaded files about 3 years ago to ipfs and somehow its still there.
  - Yizahi 3y ago
    Unfortunately I have to repeat what I just wrote word for word: "there is no GUARANTEE about file preservation there at all (unless you pay to people hosting your files specifically)" Sure your files are accidentally still present in the cache. Good for you. The problem is deceiving other people who may think it's somehow spacemagically-interplanetary guaranteed.
    - wegfawefgawefg 3y ago
      No reason to repeat yourself. I was surprised that it was still up. I knew very well they were likely to dissapear. I assumed it would have been gone by now.
- diggan 3y ago
  Maybe I missed something obvious, but does the IPFS project itself say anywhere that it does "file preservation"? The only thing I can find from official resources is documentation saying IPFS does not do that at all. Example from https://docs.ipfs.tech/concepts/what-is-ipfs/#what-ipfs-isn-t https://docs.ipfs.tech/concepts/what-is-ipfs/#what-ipfs-isn-... > What IPFS isn't > IPFS is not ... A storage provider: While there are storage providers built with IPFS support (typically known as pinning services), IPFS itself is a protocol, not a provider
  - Yizahi 3y ago
    The only times I've seen IPFS being brought up in the interned discussions was by people who claimed that their token startup will guarantee preservation of some data via IPFS. This was also a usual argument in comparisons to commercial cloud storage. Reading your link I don't quite understand how come they claim IPFS is both a protocol AND a network of nodes AND not a storage. For example TCP is a protocol, but TCP is not a network of nodes even if there is a network of nodes using TCP to communicate. I think this is some cheap wordplay to play pretend distributed filestorage and but also absolve themselves from any responsibility in case something goes wrong "IPFS is only a protocol, you probably was holding it wrong".
    - diggan 3y ago
      > The only times I've seen IPFS being brought up in the interned discussions was by people who claimed that their token startup Sounds like those people either don't understand what they're saying, or they're mindlessly shilling for Filecoin. Both are obviously shitty, but I don't think it's fair to point the team behind IPFS in a bad light because of what others say about it. > I don't quite understand how come they claim IPFS is both a protocol AND a network of nodes AND not a storage IPFS is a protocol, IPFS is also the name of the network. IPFS doesn't automatically distribute data, hence it's not "storage", but a protocol for doing storage. In the analogy to TCP, TCP/http are the most common protocols, and the most common network is what we call "Internet". Initially, there was many competing networks, until eventually The Internet overtook all the other networks and essentially "won". (edit: again, gross over-simplification about the history the internet and more, hopefully won't be too misleading. Better overview can be found here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Internet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Internet)
- acejam 3y ago
  Here's a secret: IPFS is not a data storage protocol. It's a data routing protocol. Start thinking that way and it will take you to a whole new universe.
  - Yizahi 3y ago
    So it is name of the protocol and not the name of the network system using this protocol, right?
foobiekr 3y ago
It’s only not going down if the content is actually present in such nodes. It’s not.
- wegfawefgawefg 3y ago
  Its just a router node?
  - foobiekr 3y ago
    Then what good is it?
    - wegfawefgawefg 3y ago
      I wasnt being sarcastic I was genuiely asking if its a storage node or a route node.

I think the idea behind content addressable databases like this is that they are supposed to be permanent. Putting it out into space may be a way of saying "its never going down".

diggan 3y ago

Worth noting that content-addressing is not meant to help making the data itself permanent, but it does help with making the identifier of the content permanent. It doesn't guarantee that the content the ID resolves to is available, but once you have a content-addressable ID, you can be sure you'll be able to get the data as long as the data is available somewhere on the network.

Yizahi 3y ago

Most likely and obfuscation technique, they (IPFS people) are afraid to admit that there is no guarantee about file preservation there at all (unless you pay to people hosting your files specifically) and cache eviction may happen to your file at any time, so they try to shout all across the internet how their tech is so reliable and great to drown any dissent. Scary and important looking headlines like "Something In Space" help to instill superficial respect in the tech.

wegfawefgawefg 3y ago
I have uploaded files about 3 years ago to ipfs and somehow its still there.
- Yizahi 3y ago
  Unfortunately I have to repeat what I just wrote word for word: "there is no GUARANTEE about file preservation there at all (unless you pay to people hosting your files specifically)" Sure your files are accidentally still present in the cache. Good for you. The problem is deceiving other people who may think it's somehow spacemagically-interplanetary guaranteed.
  - wegfawefgawefg 3y ago
    No reason to repeat yourself. I was surprised that it was still up. I knew very well they were likely to dissapear. I assumed it would have been gone by now.
diggan 3y ago
Maybe I missed something obvious, but does the IPFS project itself say anywhere that it does "file preservation"? The only thing I can find from official resources is documentation saying IPFS does not do that at all. Example from https://docs.ipfs.tech/concepts/what-is-ipfs/#what-ipfs-isn-t https://docs.ipfs.tech/concepts/what-is-ipfs/#what-ipfs-isn-... > What IPFS isn't > IPFS is not ... A storage provider: While there are storage providers built with IPFS support (typically known as pinning services), IPFS itself is a protocol, not a provider
- Yizahi 3y ago
  The only times I've seen IPFS being brought up in the interned discussions was by people who claimed that their token startup will guarantee preservation of some data via IPFS. This was also a usual argument in comparisons to commercial cloud storage. Reading your link I don't quite understand how come they claim IPFS is both a protocol AND a network of nodes AND not a storage. For example TCP is a protocol, but TCP is not a network of nodes even if there is a network of nodes using TCP to communicate. I think this is some cheap wordplay to play pretend distributed filestorage and but also absolve themselves from any responsibility in case something goes wrong "IPFS is only a protocol, you probably was holding it wrong".
  - diggan 3y ago
    > The only times I've seen IPFS being brought up in the interned discussions was by people who claimed that their token startup Sounds like those people either don't understand what they're saying, or they're mindlessly shilling for Filecoin. Both are obviously shitty, but I don't think it's fair to point the team behind IPFS in a bad light because of what others say about it. > I don't quite understand how come they claim IPFS is both a protocol AND a network of nodes AND not a storage IPFS is a protocol, IPFS is also the name of the network. IPFS doesn't automatically distribute data, hence it's not "storage", but a protocol for doing storage. In the analogy to TCP, TCP/http are the most common protocols, and the most common network is what we call "Internet". Initially, there was many competing networks, until eventually The Internet overtook all the other networks and essentially "won". (edit: again, gross over-simplification about the history the internet and more, hopefully won't be too misleading. Better overview can be found here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Internet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Internet)
acejam 3y ago
Here's a secret: IPFS is not a data storage protocol. It's a data routing protocol. Start thinking that way and it will take you to a whole new universe.
- Yizahi 3y ago
  So it is name of the protocol and not the name of the network system using this protocol, right?

foobiekr 3y ago

It’s only not going down if the content is actually present in such nodes. It’s not.

wegfawefgawefg 3y ago
Its just a router node?
- foobiekr 3y ago
  Then what good is it?
  - wegfawefgawefg 3y ago
    I wasnt being sarcastic I was genuiely asking if its a storage node or a route node.