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Thanks for the mention and kind words! I’m one of the cofounders of Common Paper, happy to answer any questions. Our docs are free, released under creative com

Thanks for the mention and kind words! I’m one of the cofounders of Common Paper, happy to answer any questions. Our docs are free, released under creative comments, have been downloaded more than 17,000 times and used to close millions of dollars worth of deals. If you’re not sure what kind of contract you need, this blog post might help: https://commonpaper.com/blog/saas-contracts/ https://commonpaper.com/blog/saas-contracts/

samstave 3y ago
Do you know of any similar resources in the Family Law area? (not sure how to specifically word my question, but helping someone with some custody related issues - and wondering if there is some resource I could be aware of to help?) Else, was going to turn to the GPTs and see what they may muster, but any even general direction pointers would be appreciated?
- chadash 3y ago
  IANAL, but there are some things where you should really get expert advice. Child custody is one of them. I think with legal docs generally, you have to decide what the stakes are and act accordingly. In general, keep in mind that most lawyers won't take a case unless there's someone with deep pockets to sue. So for that $20k loan you give to a friend, a boilerplate template is fine; if they don't want to pay you back, a lawsuit is gonna cost you more than the loan anyway. You've got a new startup for website monitoring with 20 customers? Worry about growing your userbase, not the remote chance that you get sued and something in the boilerplate docs you used wasn't worded properly (of course, once you raise significant money or have significant revenue, those legal docs become much more important, and also this doesn't apply if you are working on something with significant risk, such as a medical device). But child custody isn't one of those things. It is high stakes, the chances that your counterparty will sue you are very high, and a bad outcome might be one of the worst things that can happen to you. Personally, the possibility of losing custody of my children would be much more worrying to me than any financial lawsuit.
  - samstave 3y ago
    I was more looking for properly formatting a document for filings was all? Maybe thats a poor example - but forms help thats not spammy, but also not "starting a business related" Legal resources online all seem so "Better Call Saul" quality. Like going to a used car lot.
  - shermantanktop 3y ago
    I have a friend in a messy divorce. With custody, all rational thought has gone out the window. Cost of lawyers? Doesn’t matter, sue! Need to comply or get fined? Don’t care. Court ordered therapy? Don’t feel like it. The pockets that fund this behavior will be empty at some point. But until then, primal irrational impulses are running the show. In a case like that, the difference between the right legal docs and the mostly right docs would be huge.
    - ethbr1 3y ago
      Legal divorce proceedings are like wedding planning, except every professional around you instead has a financial incentive to make you as angry and mean as possible, because it means more billable hours.
      - toomuchtodo 3y ago
        I have seen hundreds of thousands of dollars incinerated on legal fees due to this. Very accurate!
    - samstave 3y ago
      To be honest; We need a "divorce/came-into-money-IPO/WTF do when tech couples split?" TECH DOCUMENTS (For all parties - but specifically their kids) thingy...
      - toomuchtodo 3y ago
        Prenup for assets, judges in family court for kids. Why no docs for custody and kids in general? Because a disinterested human needs to make the decisions at the time the exception occurs. (have volunteered some time as a guardian ad litem, and most in my circle are divorced, from the homeless to a billionaire)
- dylan604 3y ago
  > was going to turn to the GPTs this seems ripe for disaster. hopefully, you weren't serious. as with all things, I'd really hope anything in the realm of legal documents from GPT would be then consulted with an actual lawyer
  - samstave 3y ago
    Sorry - I am looking for properly formatting, the fact that their case is custody was useless info I guess... I just want to ensure that documents are formatted properly... that was all.
    - dylan604 3y ago
      just to pile on, but forgoing a lawyer in a custody case is the definition of not smart. just don't do it.
      - HWR_14 3y ago
        In a contentious custody case, this is very true. If the parents are splitting up and agree on a plan that they both like, the lawyer becomes far less necessary. Although then the lawyer is very cheap and probably still worth it.
- jakestein 3y ago
  Unfortunately, I don't know of any resource besides an attorney that would help with a custody issue. I'm sure that's rough, and I hope things turn out as well as possible for your friend and their family. A few other resources that are outside the commercial realm are: https://helloprenup.com/ https://helloprenup.com/ https://hellodivorce.com/ https://hellodivorce.com/ https://www.getdynasty.com/ https://www.getdynasty.com/ https://trustandwill.com/ https://trustandwill.com/ I haven't personally used those services, but the founders are great
- martincmartin 3y ago
  I've had luck with Nolo legal documents, for things like a simple will when I was young and my estate was simple. https://www.nolo.com/ https://www.nolo.com/
smeej 3y ago
I'm about 99% sure calling it "creative comments" is just a brain slip (or TTS error) and you meant "creative commons," but because that really would be a creative change, and the 1% chance that I'm wrong has a really big risk when dealing with a company familiar with legal documents, I just want to confirm?
- jakestein 3y ago
  Thanks for checking, and unfortunately it seems like my original comment is no longer editable. I'd like to blame autocorrect, but I think I was actually typing before I had my coffee this morning All of our standard agreements are released under the Creative Commons CC BY 4.0 license. More details on that license here: https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/
navigate8310 3y ago
Are there any templates for businesses that are engaged in manufacturing bespoke electrical components for their B2B customers?
- jakestein 3y ago
  We're focused on B2B software companies, so we don't have any templates for that use case. I'm not aware of publicly available templates serving bespoke manufacturers, but I'd love to learn about them if you find any
  - chris-orgmenta 3y ago
    > We're focused on B2B software companies Out of interest, is that a permanent(ish) decision, or are you intending to use that as a spring board, eventually aiming for industry-agnostic? Thanks
    - jakestein 3y ago
      In the long term, we'll expand out from that. It will be industry by industry, since the contracts you need for eg manufacturing or catering are going to be very different than software. Some of our agreements, like the NDA, are already used in other industries since they are more industry agnostic

samstave 3y ago

Do you know of any similar resources in the Family Law area? (not sure how to specifically word my question, but helping someone with some custody related issues - and wondering if there is some resource I could be aware of to help?) Else, was going to turn to the GPTs and see what they may muster, but any even general direction pointers would be appreciated?

chadash 3y ago
IANAL, but there are some things where you should really get expert advice. Child custody is one of them. I think with legal docs generally, you have to decide what the stakes are and act accordingly. In general, keep in mind that most lawyers won't take a case unless there's someone with deep pockets to sue. So for that $20k loan you give to a friend, a boilerplate template is fine; if they don't want to pay you back, a lawsuit is gonna cost you more than the loan anyway. You've got a new startup for website monitoring with 20 customers? Worry about growing your userbase, not the remote chance that you get sued and something in the boilerplate docs you used wasn't worded properly (of course, once you raise significant money or have significant revenue, those legal docs become much more important, and also this doesn't apply if you are working on something with significant risk, such as a medical device). But child custody isn't one of those things. It is high stakes, the chances that your counterparty will sue you are very high, and a bad outcome might be one of the worst things that can happen to you. Personally, the possibility of losing custody of my children would be much more worrying to me than any financial lawsuit.
- samstave 3y ago
  I was more looking for properly formatting a document for filings was all? Maybe thats a poor example - but forms help thats not spammy, but also not "starting a business related" Legal resources online all seem so "Better Call Saul" quality. Like going to a used car lot.
- shermantanktop 3y ago
  I have a friend in a messy divorce. With custody, all rational thought has gone out the window. Cost of lawyers? Doesn’t matter, sue! Need to comply or get fined? Don’t care. Court ordered therapy? Don’t feel like it. The pockets that fund this behavior will be empty at some point. But until then, primal irrational impulses are running the show. In a case like that, the difference between the right legal docs and the mostly right docs would be huge.
  - ethbr1 3y ago
    Legal divorce proceedings are like wedding planning, except every professional around you instead has a financial incentive to make you as angry and mean as possible, because it means more billable hours.
    - toomuchtodo 3y ago
      I have seen hundreds of thousands of dollars incinerated on legal fees due to this. Very accurate!
  - samstave 3y ago
    To be honest; We need a "divorce/came-into-money-IPO/WTF do when tech couples split?" TECH DOCUMENTS (For all parties - but specifically their kids) thingy...
    - toomuchtodo 3y ago
      Prenup for assets, judges in family court for kids. Why no docs for custody and kids in general? Because a disinterested human needs to make the decisions at the time the exception occurs. (have volunteered some time as a guardian ad litem, and most in my circle are divorced, from the homeless to a billionaire)
dylan604 3y ago
> was going to turn to the GPTs this seems ripe for disaster. hopefully, you weren't serious. as with all things, I'd really hope anything in the realm of legal documents from GPT would be then consulted with an actual lawyer
- samstave 3y ago
  Sorry - I am looking for properly formatting, the fact that their case is custody was useless info I guess... I just want to ensure that documents are formatted properly... that was all.
  - dylan604 3y ago
    just to pile on, but forgoing a lawyer in a custody case is the definition of not smart. just don't do it.
    - HWR_14 3y ago
      In a contentious custody case, this is very true. If the parents are splitting up and agree on a plan that they both like, the lawyer becomes far less necessary. Although then the lawyer is very cheap and probably still worth it.
jakestein 3y ago
Unfortunately, I don't know of any resource besides an attorney that would help with a custody issue. I'm sure that's rough, and I hope things turn out as well as possible for your friend and their family. A few other resources that are outside the commercial realm are: https://helloprenup.com/ https://helloprenup.com/ https://hellodivorce.com/ https://hellodivorce.com/ https://www.getdynasty.com/ https://www.getdynasty.com/ https://trustandwill.com/ https://trustandwill.com/ I haven't personally used those services, but the founders are great
martincmartin 3y ago
I've had luck with Nolo legal documents, for things like a simple will when I was young and my estate was simple. https://www.nolo.com/ https://www.nolo.com/

smeej 3y ago

I'm about 99% sure calling it "creative comments" is just a brain slip (or TTS error) and you meant "creative commons," but because that really would be a creative change, and the 1% chance that I'm wrong has a really big risk when dealing with a company familiar with legal documents, I just want to confirm?

jakestein 3y ago
Thanks for checking, and unfortunately it seems like my original comment is no longer editable. I'd like to blame autocorrect, but I think I was actually typing before I had my coffee this morning All of our standard agreements are released under the Creative Commons CC BY 4.0 license. More details on that license here: https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/

navigate8310 3y ago

Are there any templates for businesses that are engaged in manufacturing bespoke electrical components for their B2B customers?

jakestein 3y ago
We're focused on B2B software companies, so we don't have any templates for that use case. I'm not aware of publicly available templates serving bespoke manufacturers, but I'd love to learn about them if you find any
- chris-orgmenta 3y ago
  > We're focused on B2B software companies Out of interest, is that a permanent(ish) decision, or are you intending to use that as a spring board, eventually aiming for industry-agnostic? Thanks
  - jakestein 3y ago
    In the long term, we'll expand out from that. It will be industry by industry, since the contracts you need for eg manufacturing or catering are going to be very different than software. Some of our agreements, like the NDA, are already used in other industries since they are more industry agnostic