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The low trust part could mostly be a (percieved) race thing. I wont claim to understand human psychology. But I dont think thats enough to explain this. Someth

The low trust part could mostly be a (percieved) race thing. I wont claim to understand human psychology. But I dont think thats enough to explain this. Something relevant, a lot of the houses that were allowed to be built in the 40s would be illegal now. I could probably build a decently sized small house with a garage with a cousin for 20-30k. But it would be illegal to live in. Even in the countryside... and eventually the taxman would find me, which forces us to not build something to use, but build something that functions as an investment.

JoeAltmaier 3y ago
Hm. Where I live, I built my house in the country. There were no rules, no inspections except well and septic by the county health department. Maybe other counties have the resources to create bureaucracies. But her in the Midwest there's not the budget for creating elaborate rules, much less paying inspectors.
- wegfawefgawefg 3y ago
  The majority of the US population lives in places where thats not the case.
  - JoeAltmaier 3y ago
    Right, right. But where you live is a choice.
    - wegfawefgawefg 3y ago
      Not if there are visa requirements, no non remote job opportunities, or you have all your family in the current city you live, and they are potentially ageing, and your kids are in local school, or you dont want to quit current job, or you are so broke you cant get an initial land / dwelling funds in the target location. Any of those and youve captured most of the working population of the US.
      - JoeAltmaier 3y ago
        That's again, largely choice. Sure, some folks have a hard time choosing where to live, I get it. If we're honest, most folks just live by default wherever. They don't want to change. And you vastly overestimate the cost of living outside major cities. It's a tiny fraction of what you might imagine. I think I agree, if we recast it as 'inertia', it captures most of the working population of the US.
mschuster91 3y ago
> The low trust part could mostly be a (percieved) race thing. I wont claim to understand human psychology. Racism definitely plays a part in here ("white flight"), but it's by far not the dominant issue. > Something relevant, a lot of the houses that were allowed to be built in the 40s would be illegal now. Indeed, but their designs are illegal nowadays for good reasons, mostly related to fire code or structural integrity. Way too many people have literally died in their sleep in unsafe homes. Statista only goes back to 1977 for residential fire deaths, but even that shows a serious reduction of cases over the decades [1]. [1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/376703/us-civilian-fire-deaths/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/376703/us-civilian-fire-...
- wegfawefgawefg 3y ago
  You have to make a choice. High homelessness, "communism", or cheap unregulated housing options. You cant have safety and freedom. I do think building codes are valid in cities. Outside of cities it should be a free for all, but its not. However, building codes now are insanely overreaching. I have lived in japan for a few years and found many of the features in buildings here would never be allowed in the US. Minimum stairwell widths, door sizes, building sizes, parking lot requirements, etc. Modern Japanese buildings are probably 100 times safer but would fail american building code. Point is if the argument is we need regulation for safety it needs to actually be for safety, and minimally.

JoeAltmaier 3y ago

Hm. Where I live, I built my house in the country. There were no rules, no inspections except well and septic by the county health department. Maybe other counties have the resources to create bureaucracies. But her in the Midwest there's not the budget for creating elaborate rules, much less paying inspectors.

wegfawefgawefg 3y ago
The majority of the US population lives in places where thats not the case.
- JoeAltmaier 3y ago
  Right, right. But where you live is a choice.
  - wegfawefgawefg 3y ago
    Not if there are visa requirements, no non remote job opportunities, or you have all your family in the current city you live, and they are potentially ageing, and your kids are in local school, or you dont want to quit current job, or you are so broke you cant get an initial land / dwelling funds in the target location. Any of those and youve captured most of the working population of the US.
    - JoeAltmaier 3y ago
      That's again, largely choice. Sure, some folks have a hard time choosing where to live, I get it. If we're honest, most folks just live by default wherever. They don't want to change. And you vastly overestimate the cost of living outside major cities. It's a tiny fraction of what you might imagine. I think I agree, if we recast it as 'inertia', it captures most of the working population of the US.

mschuster91 3y ago

> The low trust part could mostly be a (percieved) race thing. I wont claim to understand human psychology. Racism definitely plays a part in here ("white flight"), but it's by far not the dominant issue. > Something relevant, a lot of the houses that were allowed to be built in the 40s would be illegal now. Indeed, but their designs are illegal nowadays for good reasons, mostly related to fire code or structural integrity. Way too many people have literally died in their sleep in unsafe homes. Statista only goes back to 1977 for residential fire deaths, but even that shows a serious reduction of cases over the decades [1]. [1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/376703/us-civilian-fire-deaths/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/376703/us-civilian-fire-...

wegfawefgawefg 3y ago
You have to make a choice. High homelessness, "communism", or cheap unregulated housing options. You cant have safety and freedom. I do think building codes are valid in cities. Outside of cities it should be a free for all, but its not. However, building codes now are insanely overreaching. I have lived in japan for a few years and found many of the features in buildings here would never be allowed in the US. Minimum stairwell widths, door sizes, building sizes, parking lot requirements, etc. Modern Japanese buildings are probably 100 times safer but would fail american building code. Point is if the argument is we need regulation for safety it needs to actually be for safety, and minimally.