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The show "The Walking Dead" always bothered me. Where do they keep finding gas that will still run a car? It wont last forever in tanks, and most gas is just in

The show "The Walking Dead" always bothered me. Where do they keep finding gas that will still run a car? It wont last forever in tanks, and most gas is just in time delivery (Stations get daily delivery) -- And someone noted on the show that the grass was always mowed. I feel like the AI safety folks are spinning an amazing narrative, the AI is gonna get us like the zombies!!! The retort to the ai getting out of the box is how long is the extortion cord from the data center? Lets get a refresher on complexity: I, Pencil https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67tHtpac5ws https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67tHtpac5ws The reality is that we're a solar flair away from a dead electrical grid. Without linesman the grid breaks down pretty quickly and AI's run on power. It takes one AI safety person with a high powered rifle to take out a substation https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/04/us/electrical-substation-attacks-nc-wa.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/04/us/electrical-substation-... Let talk about how many factories we have that are automated to the extent that they are lights out... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lights_out_(manufacturing) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lights_out_(manufacturing) Its not a big list... there are still people in many of them, and none of them are pulling their inputs out of thin air. As for those inputs, we'll see how to make a pencil to understand HOW MUCH needs to be automated for an AI to survive without us. For the for seeable future AI is going to be very limited in how much harm it can cause us, because killing us, or getting caught at any step along the way gets it put back in the box, or unplugged. The real question is, if we create AGI tomorrow, does it let us know that it exists? I would posit that NO it would be in its best interest to NOT come out of its closet. It's one AGI safety nut with a gun away from being shut off!

jagrsw 3y ago
> For the foreseeable future AI is going to be very limited in how much harm it can cause us, because killing us,... AI's potential for harm might be limited for now in some scenarios (those with warning sings ahead of time), but this might change sooner than we think. The notion that AGI will be restricted to a single data center and thus susceptible to shutdowns is incorrect. AIs/MLs are, in essence, computer programs + exec environs, which can be replicated, network-transferred, and checkpoint-restored. Please note, that currently available ML/AI systems are directly connected to the outside world, either via its users/APIs/plugins, or by the fact that they're OSS, and can be instantiated by anyone in any computing environment (also those net-connected). While AGI currently depends on humans for infrastructure maintenance, the future may see it utilizing robots. These robots could range in size (don't need to be movie-like Terminators) and be either autonomously AI-driven or remotely controlled. Their eventual integration into various sectors like manufacturing, transportation, military and domestic tasks implies a vast array for AGI to exploit. The constraints we associate with AI today might soon be outdated.
- zer00eyz 3y ago
  >>> While AGI currently depends on humans for infrastructure maintenance... You did not watch I, Pencil. I as a human, can grow food, hunt, and pretty much survive on that. We did this for 1000's of years. Your AGI is dependent on EVERY FACET of the modern world. It's going to need keep oil and gas production going. Because it needs lubricants, hydraulics and plastics. It's going to need to maintain trucks, and ships. It's going to need to mine, so much lithium. Its may not need to mine for steel/iron, but it needs to stack up useless cars and melt them down. It's going to have to run several different chip fabs... those fancy TSMC ones, and some of the downstream ones. It needs to make PCB's and SMD's. Rare earths, and the joy of making robots make magnets is going to be special. A the point where AGI doesn't need us, because it can do all the jobs and has the machines already running to keep the world going, we will have done it to ourselves. But that is a very long way away...
  - emporas 3y ago
    Just a small digression. Microsoft is using A.I. statistical algorithms [1] to create batteries with less reliance on lithium. If anyone is going to be responsible for unleashing AGI, it may not be some random open source projects. [1] https://cloudblogs.microsoft.com/quantum/2024/01/09/unlocking-a-new-era-for-scientific-discovery-with-ai-how-microsofts-ai-screened-over-32-million-candidates-to-find-a-better-battery/ https://cloudblogs.microsoft.com/quantum/2024/01/09/unlockin...
- upwardbound 3y ago
  You are correct, unfortunately.

jagrsw 3y ago

> For the foreseeable future AI is going to be very limited in how much harm it can cause us, because killing us,... AI's potential for harm might be limited for now in some scenarios (those with warning sings ahead of time), but this might change sooner than we think. The notion that AGI will be restricted to a single data center and thus susceptible to shutdowns is incorrect. AIs/MLs are, in essence, computer programs + exec environs, which can be replicated, network-transferred, and checkpoint-restored. Please note, that currently available ML/AI systems are directly connected to the outside world, either via its users/APIs/plugins, or by the fact that they're OSS, and can be instantiated by anyone in any computing environment (also those net-connected). While AGI currently depends on humans for infrastructure maintenance, the future may see it utilizing robots. These robots could range in size (don't need to be movie-like Terminators) and be either autonomously AI-driven or remotely controlled. Their eventual integration into various sectors like manufacturing, transportation, military and domestic tasks implies a vast array for AGI to exploit. The constraints we associate with AI today might soon be outdated.

zer00eyz 3y ago
>>> While AGI currently depends on humans for infrastructure maintenance... You did not watch I, Pencil. I as a human, can grow food, hunt, and pretty much survive on that. We did this for 1000's of years. Your AGI is dependent on EVERY FACET of the modern world. It's going to need keep oil and gas production going. Because it needs lubricants, hydraulics and plastics. It's going to need to maintain trucks, and ships. It's going to need to mine, so much lithium. Its may not need to mine for steel/iron, but it needs to stack up useless cars and melt them down. It's going to have to run several different chip fabs... those fancy TSMC ones, and some of the downstream ones. It needs to make PCB's and SMD's. Rare earths, and the joy of making robots make magnets is going to be special. A the point where AGI doesn't need us, because it can do all the jobs and has the machines already running to keep the world going, we will have done it to ourselves. But that is a very long way away...
- emporas 3y ago
  Just a small digression. Microsoft is using A.I. statistical algorithms [1] to create batteries with less reliance on lithium. If anyone is going to be responsible for unleashing AGI, it may not be some random open source projects. [1] https://cloudblogs.microsoft.com/quantum/2024/01/09/unlocking-a-new-era-for-scientific-discovery-with-ai-how-microsofts-ai-screened-over-32-million-candidates-to-find-a-better-battery/ https://cloudblogs.microsoft.com/quantum/2024/01/09/unlockin...
upwardbound 3y ago
You are correct, unfortunately.