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Thanks for not understanding. I mean there's other things associated with a union that people don't like about it. Why do I have to pay to have collaborative ne

Thanks for not understanding. I mean there's other things associated with a union that people don't like about it. Why do I have to pay to have collaborative negotiation? I'm just saying I acknowledge those parts and I want to avoid it. I think in theory people can band together and collectively negotiate without actually forming a legal union.

redserk 3y ago
“I want to cook eggs on top of hot oil but I don’t want to say I’m frying them” is more words to get to “I want to fry eggs” The framework to band together and collectively negotiate is literally called forming a union. You don’t have to collect dues if you don’t want/need to, nor do you need a bureaucracy. Eventually groups of collective negotiators (unions) end up in situations requiring resources, which require money. I’m talking about simple lawyer consults or if you wanted to buy research on current market pay.
- corethree 3y ago
  This is a blatant mischaracterization. There is a legal formation of a union according to US law which requires voting. That's not what I'm talking about. There can be collective negotiation where all employees can simply threaten to quit if demands aren't met. The government doesn't have to legally acknowledge your union hence why I used the term "legal definition of union" This isn't some cooking eggs and not calling it frying. This is more you not understanding. Failure to comprehend and being mean is what's going on with you. The term is ass hole. Because let's face it, there's no failure to comprehend here, just deliberate pedantism and mischaracterization. https://www.nlrb.gov/about-nlrb/rights-we-protect/the-law/employees/your-right-to-form-a-union https://www.nlrb.gov/about-nlrb/rights-we-protect/the-law/em... It is this legal definition of a union that has the ability to characterize your membership in the legal union as having paid union dues. This legal formation of a union which is required to even sue the company isn't required for employees to act collectively. But you know this. It's obvious. Stop being deliberately pedantic. Just move on man.

redserk 3y ago

“I want to cook eggs on top of hot oil but I don’t want to say I’m frying them” is more words to get to “I want to fry eggs” The framework to band together and collectively negotiate is literally called forming a union. You don’t have to collect dues if you don’t want/need to, nor do you need a bureaucracy. Eventually groups of collective negotiators (unions) end up in situations requiring resources, which require money. I’m talking about simple lawyer consults or if you wanted to buy research on current market pay.

corethree 3y ago
This is a blatant mischaracterization. There is a legal formation of a union according to US law which requires voting. That's not what I'm talking about. There can be collective negotiation where all employees can simply threaten to quit if demands aren't met. The government doesn't have to legally acknowledge your union hence why I used the term "legal definition of union" This isn't some cooking eggs and not calling it frying. This is more you not understanding. Failure to comprehend and being mean is what's going on with you. The term is ass hole. Because let's face it, there's no failure to comprehend here, just deliberate pedantism and mischaracterization. https://www.nlrb.gov/about-nlrb/rights-we-protect/the-law/employees/your-right-to-form-a-union https://www.nlrb.gov/about-nlrb/rights-we-protect/the-law/em... It is this legal definition of a union that has the ability to characterize your membership in the legal union as having paid union dues. This legal formation of a union which is required to even sue the company isn't required for employees to act collectively. But you know this. It's obvious. Stop being deliberately pedantic. Just move on man.