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Other than making HR look like total fools, why was the offer rescinded? Presumably the hiring manager still wanted him for the role.
by fbdab103 3y ago
Other than making HR look like total fools, why was the offer rescinded? Presumably the hiring manager still wanted him for the role.
- toomuchtodo 3y agoSpite. Even the most industrious hiring manager is no match for an HR department scorned.
- rand846633 3y agoI’d love to hear some anecdotal stuff. Not having dealt with either hr or hiring managers in years I miss enjoying the shenanigans, cringe and stupidity!
- SanjayMehta 3y agoBig name US company (now defunct) made an offer to recent college grads on campus. One of the commitments was that they would get a hike when they joined up to match industry standards. Never happened. When challenged by engineering management HR gave a hike of Rs 100/- a year. About $3 at that time.
- game_the0ry 3y agoSurprised that HR had enough pull to go over the head of the hiring manager. There’s got to be more to this story. If I was the hiring manager, I would tell HR to pound sand.
- lazide 3y agoIn most companies, said hiring manager would be the one pounding sand. HR works for the company (aka the owners/senior execs), not a random line manager. If they like what the line manager is doing, then that’s cool. If they don’t, unless execs or ownership cares, they’ll happily set said line manager on fire for their amusement just as easily as a random employee. And since line managers need HR’s co-operation to hire/fire in most places, they’ve got to manage that relationship very carefully or be really screwed.
- Gabriel54 3y agoNot sure why this is getting downvoted. Anecdotally this seems to be the case. In my personal experience, HR is only accountable to the executive level.
- fbdab103 3y agoHR is an arm of corporate, yes. That being said, anytime personnel decisions come up, all I see is legal hedging that there have to be documented performance problems, policy violations, etc whatever. I think it is a significant stretch that HR is going to fire a previously acceptable manager because they advocated for an agreed upon hire.
- rdtsc 3y agoThat’s true, unless the issue becomes “personal”. Now HR department reputation is on the line. They won’t just smile and apologize.
- lazide 3y agoYup. Like cops, they can’t be everywhere or pay attention to everything, so if someone starts threatening their authority, an example needs to be made. The more professional and actually strong/competent they are, the more measured and appropriate that example can be. If they’re actually weak or incompetent, expect to be stabbed in the back instead of the front, and for it to be insane and disproportionate instead of rational and measured.
- StreetChief 3y agoWoah, HR really is the police force of a corporation isn't it?
- jjav 3y ago> If I was the hiring manager, I would tell HR to pound sand. And do what? The manager can't hire anyone if HR doesn't approve and process the hire. HR has all the power on this. Many times I've seen the eng organization all aligned to hire someone but if HR says no, it's no. The head of HR usually reports to the CEO, so unless it's a position high enough that the CEO is personally involved in the hiring process and can override HR, there's nothing you can do.
- acchow 3y agoHR here means Human Resources, right? I have never heard of them needing to approve of any hiring. Finance and some director high enough needs to approve.
- HelloNurse 3y agoYou clearly work in a differently organized company where HR takes care of bureaucracy and employee assistance and didn't grab the authority to control hiring. Probably the ambitious, important people at the foundation of the company were "finance and some director" and they never allowed HR to interfere with the business and become more than a service; hope it lasts.
- jjav 3y agoI'm guessing you didn't have visibility into the HR approvals, or worked in some oddball company. HR controls for example the background checks for new offers, and if those don't satisfy HR there will not be an offer (also, HR generates offer letters). No amount of complaining from anyone short of the CEO will override this.
- ryandrake 3y agoI guess I must just be lucky because I've never worked at a company where HR had any real say at all over the normal hiring/termination process. They're there to make sure the paperwork is filed properly and has the right font and that's about it. My only interactions with HR over 20+ years have been on my first day of work where they hand me brochures about the health insurance, 401(k) and other benefits, and then on my last day when I return my badge. I don't doubt that these places exist, where HR inserts themselves and becomes part of the hiring process--just never saw one myself.
- onionisafruit 3y agoI wasn’t clear on the given reason, but there’s no doubt the real reason was to not let that become a president.
- fbdab103 3y agoI can see the company being upset at attempting to leverage an internal position for more money at the current, but denying the move entirely is bizarre to me. I know several people who have interviewed within the company, not in an unduly secretive way, for a new role which has always come with a higher title or pay. Edit: I guess I should say this was not part of a corporate, "Interview for your job after a layoff" kind of deal. Just seeing a posting on an internal job board, and semi-privately interviewing with that line manager. An internal job hop that can happen for any number of reasons.
- jayd16 3y agoSeems like all it would take is the old manager not wanting to lose them. That would get them to kill the offer even if the old manager wouldn't have.
- rdtsc 3y ago> Other than making HR look like total fools, why was the offer rescinded? The answer is in the question :-) How would a fool react when their foolishness is thrown publicly in their face?
- paxys 3y agoBecause you can’t allow him to set an example.