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If a voice actor dies (or needs to be replaced, see Justin roiland), should their character die with them or can another person perform that role? If there a

by itake 3y ago

If a voice actor dies (or needs to be replaced, see Justin roiland), should their character die with them or can another person perform that role? If there a difference between another human acting a character vs a model?

sundaeofshock 3y ago
“If there a difference between another human acting a character vs a model?” Yes. One is an actual living, breathing human who uses their lived experience in order to bring nuance and feeling to their performance. The other is a machine.
- itake 3y ago
  ok? what is wrong with a machine (or the DS that collected the data and trained the model based on their own lived experience) having a performance? I don't see why one is ok but not the other.
  - sundaeofshock 3y ago
    The sum total of a life can’t be reduced to an algorithm. We are so much more than that! A human actor brings the sum of their life to each role. Joy, anger, fear, sadness; these can’t be felt by an LLM running on an Nvida chip in some random data center. Our humanity matters, and it saddens me that you don’t seem to share that belief.
    - eska 3y ago
      Most voice recordings are not for artistic purposes. I feel you’re falling for a false choice fallacy, because there’s a world for both kinds of performances. Furthermore small companies without a budget are enabled to create things now that they were not able to do before because they don’t have the money for many voice actors for multiple languages. Even large companies may prototype things and create placeholder recordings.
azemetre 3y ago
Is it really hard to use our imagination and move on to another person? In your example they replaced Roiland with a different sounding character (think English) on Solar Opposites and it wasn’t a big deal. Nor is it hard to find people who sound similar either. AI voices have a hard time sounding emotional imo.
- itake 3y ago
  I agree AI performance quality is measurably worse than real actors, but that isn't why people are upset.
  - azemetre 3y ago
    I see, I totally misunderstand your question now that I've read your reply. I think shows should go on and while it can be tragic if someone dies prematurely it's not the end of the world to hire someone completely different to take the part. It's one of the reasons why I'm not a fan of de-aging you see in actors, just hire someone new and green. Allow them to showcase their talents. It worked for the Godfather, no reason why it can't work now.

by itake 3y ago

sundaeofshock 3y ago

“If there a difference between another human acting a character vs a model?” Yes. One is an actual living, breathing human who uses their lived experience in order to bring nuance and feeling to their performance. The other is a machine.

itake 3y ago
ok? what is wrong with a machine (or the DS that collected the data and trained the model based on their own lived experience) having a performance? I don't see why one is ok but not the other.
- sundaeofshock 3y ago
  The sum total of a life can’t be reduced to an algorithm. We are so much more than that! A human actor brings the sum of their life to each role. Joy, anger, fear, sadness; these can’t be felt by an LLM running on an Nvida chip in some random data center. Our humanity matters, and it saddens me that you don’t seem to share that belief.
  - eska 3y ago
    Most voice recordings are not for artistic purposes. I feel you’re falling for a false choice fallacy, because there’s a world for both kinds of performances. Furthermore small companies without a budget are enabled to create things now that they were not able to do before because they don’t have the money for many voice actors for multiple languages. Even large companies may prototype things and create placeholder recordings.

azemetre 3y ago

Is it really hard to use our imagination and move on to another person? In your example they replaced Roiland with a different sounding character (think English) on Solar Opposites and it wasn’t a big deal. Nor is it hard to find people who sound similar either. AI voices have a hard time sounding emotional imo.

itake 3y ago
I agree AI performance quality is measurably worse than real actors, but that isn't why people are upset.
- azemetre 3y ago
  I see, I totally misunderstand your question now that I've read your reply. I think shows should go on and while it can be tragic if someone dies prematurely it's not the end of the world to hire someone completely different to take the part. It's one of the reasons why I'm not a fan of de-aging you see in actors, just hire someone new and green. Allow them to showcase their talents. It worked for the Godfather, no reason why it can't work now.