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The violation of creators and artists with AI tools (copyright violation, impersonation/likeness stealing) is a serious matter that a lot of people aren't takin
by neilv 3y ago
The violation of creators and artists with AI tools (copyright violation, impersonation/likeness stealing) is a serious matter that a lot of people aren't taking seriously or respecting.
The biggest problem seems to be with companies exploiting that law and/or courts haven't kept up with technology, and companies trying to run past that and grab billions/trillions before the government finally steps in (and it's too late, like Uber and Airbnb ignoring regulations).
There's a lesser problem with random people piggybacking onto those company efforts, and contributing to the problem like a thousand papercuts, as well as helping to normalize the violations.
- kevingadd 3y agoA good example of normalization is that a twitch/YouTube streamer with a large following set up an automated TTS system for his chat to read user messages using ai versions of the characters from gta5, which presumably includes Ned Luke. It's cute and very casual but that also makes it kind of insidious in that now any random user can put words into Ned's mouth without even learning how to use the tech, and it'll be broadcast to a big audience.
- 63 3y agoIt's not just one streamer doing this. There are services[0] providing tons of presumably unlicensed tts voices to any streamers who want them and I've seen them all over the place. It really bothers me how little thought people are putting into this before doing it. [0]https://tts.monster/ https://tts.monster/
- itake 3y agoIf a voice actor dies (or needs to be replaced, see Justin roiland), should their character die with them or can another person perform that role? If there a difference between another human acting a character vs a model?
- sundaeofshock 3y ago“If there a difference between another human acting a character vs a model?” Yes. One is an actual living, breathing human who uses their lived experience in order to bring nuance and feeling to their performance. The other is a machine.
- itake 3y agook? what is wrong with a machine (or the DS that collected the data and trained the model based on their own lived experience) having a performance? I don't see why one is ok but not the other.
- sundaeofshock 3y agoThe sum total of a life can’t be reduced to an algorithm. We are so much more than that! A human actor brings the sum of their life to each role. Joy, anger, fear, sadness; these can’t be felt by an LLM running on an Nvida chip in some random data center. Our humanity matters, and it saddens me that you don’t seem to share that belief.
- eska 3y agoMost voice recordings are not for artistic purposes. I feel you’re falling for a false choice fallacy, because there’s a world for both kinds of performances. Furthermore small companies without a budget are enabled to create things now that they were not able to do before because they don’t have the money for many voice actors for multiple languages. Even large companies may prototype things and create placeholder recordings.
- azemetre 3y agoIs it really hard to use our imagination and move on to another person? In your example they replaced Roiland with a different sounding character (think English) on Solar Opposites and it wasn’t a big deal. Nor is it hard to find people who sound similar either. AI voices have a hard time sounding emotional imo.
- itake 3y agoI agree AI performance quality is measurably worse than real actors, but that isn't why people are upset.
- azemetre 3y agoI see, I totally misunderstand your question now that I've read your reply. I think shows should go on and while it can be tragic if someone dies prematurely it's not the end of the world to hire someone completely different to take the part. It's one of the reasons why I'm not a fan of de-aging you see in actors, just hire someone new and green. Allow them to showcase their talents. It worked for the Godfather, no reason why it can't work now.