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WAME's response is offensive. I cannot honestly believe they thought this would actually go anywhere positive. I don't know if it was covered in the article (ma

WAME's response is offensive. I cannot honestly believe they thought this would actually go anywhere positive. I don't know if it was covered in the article (maybe I missed it) but the Voice Actor sure didn't seem to be _consulted before_ this was made. How the fuck did they honestly think the original Voice Actor would not even raise the slightest bit of concern? Chances are people were paid to make this thing, and some fuck-head manager saw $$$ but didn't once stop to think about liabiility $$$. Never heard of WAME before, but I suspect they're about to get WAME'd into the dirt.

Hamuko 3y ago
How did they also think that Rockstar/Take-Two would be fine with it?
- Jensson 3y ago
  Microsoft made a coding AI based on your code, yet software engineers seems to be happy having such bots. So software engineers seems to have a different mindset about these things.
  - estebank 3y ago
    That is not an universal position amongst developers. I would even go as far as to say that it's not even a majority position.
  - 6gvONxR4sf7o 3y ago
    Copilot's unlicensed handling of people's code is one of the few areas where "you can't just ignore the license when it comes to training/reproduction" is popular around here.
  - itishappy 3y ago
    > software engineers seems to be happy having such bots The lawsuit is ongoing. https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/65669506/doe-1-v-github-inc/ https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/65669506/doe-1-v-github...
    - chrismatheson 3y ago
      The coding bot can be used by me to make more money / work less. I dont think WAME are giving the AI voice acting bot to the original voice actor so he can put it to work making money are they ?
  - orochimaaru 3y ago
    There are a lot of nuances based on the type of license associated with the code that was used to train copilot. Have there been breaches of license agreements? I think so. I have no way to prove it (there may be organizations who have). Should those breaches be litigated? Yes. However, in that same vein, this should be litigated as well.
    - calgoo 3y ago
      I would love to be able to generate an open source application by using others open source code! Would be amazing if it could just collect all sources in a similar way to how one would make references/citations in an essay, and “forcing” the code to be released as open source as well. Basically build on all the open source snippets that people release to power the future.
  - TillE 3y ago
    My code there is all MIT licensed, I think it's totally fair to interpret permissive licenses as allowing AI model training. They don't train on private repos. For people who work on GPL'd stuff sure, it's more questionable.
    - evnp 3y ago
      MIT licensed work still requires attribution, which (as far as I know) current AI models / training practices are unable to handle properly. From the MIT license text: > The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in all copies or substantial portions of the Software. https://opensource.org/license/mit/#:~:text=The%20above%20copyright%20notice%20and%20this%20permission%20notice%20shall%20be%20included%20in%20all%20copies%20or%20substantial%20portions%20of%20the%20Software https://opensource.org/license/mit/#:~:text=The%20above%20co....

Hamuko 3y ago

How did they also think that Rockstar/Take-Two would be fine with it?

Jensson 3y ago
Microsoft made a coding AI based on your code, yet software engineers seems to be happy having such bots. So software engineers seems to have a different mindset about these things.
- estebank 3y ago
  That is not an universal position amongst developers. I would even go as far as to say that it's not even a majority position.
- 6gvONxR4sf7o 3y ago
  Copilot's unlicensed handling of people's code is one of the few areas where "you can't just ignore the license when it comes to training/reproduction" is popular around here.
- itishappy 3y ago
  > software engineers seems to be happy having such bots The lawsuit is ongoing. https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/65669506/doe-1-v-github-inc/ https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/65669506/doe-1-v-github...
  - chrismatheson 3y ago
    The coding bot can be used by me to make more money / work less. I dont think WAME are giving the AI voice acting bot to the original voice actor so he can put it to work making money are they ?
- orochimaaru 3y ago
  There are a lot of nuances based on the type of license associated with the code that was used to train copilot. Have there been breaches of license agreements? I think so. I have no way to prove it (there may be organizations who have). Should those breaches be litigated? Yes. However, in that same vein, this should be litigated as well.
  - calgoo 3y ago
    I would love to be able to generate an open source application by using others open source code! Would be amazing if it could just collect all sources in a similar way to how one would make references/citations in an essay, and “forcing” the code to be released as open source as well. Basically build on all the open source snippets that people release to power the future.
- TillE 3y ago
  My code there is all MIT licensed, I think it's totally fair to interpret permissive licenses as allowing AI model training. They don't train on private repos. For people who work on GPL'd stuff sure, it's more questionable.
  - evnp 3y ago
    MIT licensed work still requires attribution, which (as far as I know) current AI models / training practices are unable to handle properly. From the MIT license text: > The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in all copies or substantial portions of the Software. https://opensource.org/license/mit/#:~:text=The%20above%20copyright%20notice%20and%20this%20permission%20notice%20shall%20be%20included%20in%20all%20copies%20or%20substantial%20portions%20of%20the%20Software https://opensource.org/license/mit/#:~:text=The%20above%20co....