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> or your problems are too complex for AI to solve - for now. i am not very interesting in the current AI wave, but I gave chatgpt a try and asked them to gene

by znpy 3y ago

> or your problems are too complex for AI to solve - for now. i am not very interesting in the current AI wave, but I gave chatgpt a try and asked them to generate some sample code using a specific library. Now, i had read the library docs top to bottom, and the generated code was essentially wrong. The thing that got me, i could definitely think of the specific manpages (or webpages) and samples chatgpt had used/shuffled to generate the code. Needless to say, it shows how it can do a patchwork of text without really understand what's going on: the various pieces of code came from some different sources, were "stitched" together pretty much correctly, but the code was essentially doing the wrong thing. Not sure how i feel about this, honestly

wenc 3y ago
Don't let perfection be the enemy of the good. Today ChatGPT might only get you 80% of the way there, but you can still fill in the 20% and still come out ahead. For many of my tasks it's getting me 90% of the way there because there's simply many more code examples and much more documentation in my domain. It still makes mistakes and it's not great at reasoning, but ChatGPT 4 (forget the free tier, always use 4) is at a level that lets me be more productive than if it had not existed. It's really fixed mindset vs growth mindset with respect to technology use. Fixed mindset = this sucks because it doesn't do everything I want. It's dead in the water. Growth mindset = this doesn't yet do everything I want, but I can still use it. Or maybe I'll patiently wait till it becomes something useful. But I'm not going to dismiss it out of hand.
- spaceman_2020 3y ago
  the fact that you have to append ("always use 4") to any discussion about AI on HackerNews is telling how out of touch this place has become.
  - wenc 3y ago
    Yes. Too many people who have only used the free ChatGPT 3.5 come away thinking, "if this is all there is, I've got nothing to worry about". It's not until they pay for ChatGPT 4.0 and use it for a while that they realize they've been dismissing a straw man all this time. To be fair, ChatGPT 4 isn't available everywhere and $20/mth though cheap to Americans, isn't that affordable to the rest of the world. But it is a vast improvement over 3.5 and actually a game changer for many things. Even a year after its launch, no other LLM has come close: https://huggingface.co/spaces/lmsys/chatbot-arena-leaderboard https://huggingface.co/spaces/lmsys/chatbot-arena-leaderboar...
spaceman_2020 3y ago
1. What version of Chat GPT did you use? 2. What was your prompt? These are really important questions. Because if you used ChatGPT-3.5 and prompted it with "write code", it would be akin to giving your kid a 10 year old Intel i3 laptop with 2GB RAM and then being baffled that your kid isn't interested in computers.

by znpy 3y ago

wenc 3y ago

Don't let perfection be the enemy of the good. Today ChatGPT might only get you 80% of the way there, but you can still fill in the 20% and still come out ahead. For many of my tasks it's getting me 90% of the way there because there's simply many more code examples and much more documentation in my domain. It still makes mistakes and it's not great at reasoning, but ChatGPT 4 (forget the free tier, always use 4) is at a level that lets me be more productive than if it had not existed. It's really fixed mindset vs growth mindset with respect to technology use. Fixed mindset = this sucks because it doesn't do everything I want. It's dead in the water. Growth mindset = this doesn't yet do everything I want, but I can still use it. Or maybe I'll patiently wait till it becomes something useful. But I'm not going to dismiss it out of hand.

spaceman_2020 3y ago
the fact that you have to append ("always use 4") to any discussion about AI on HackerNews is telling how out of touch this place has become.
- wenc 3y ago
  Yes. Too many people who have only used the free ChatGPT 3.5 come away thinking, "if this is all there is, I've got nothing to worry about". It's not until they pay for ChatGPT 4.0 and use it for a while that they realize they've been dismissing a straw man all this time. To be fair, ChatGPT 4 isn't available everywhere and $20/mth though cheap to Americans, isn't that affordable to the rest of the world. But it is a vast improvement over 3.5 and actually a game changer for many things. Even a year after its launch, no other LLM has come close: https://huggingface.co/spaces/lmsys/chatbot-arena-leaderboard https://huggingface.co/spaces/lmsys/chatbot-arena-leaderboar...

spaceman_2020 3y ago

1. What version of Chat GPT did you use? 2. What was your prompt? These are really important questions. Because if you used ChatGPT-3.5 and prompted it with "write code", it would be akin to giving your kid a 10 year old Intel i3 laptop with 2GB RAM and then being baffled that your kid isn't interested in computers.