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While I'm all for improving the state of broadband and internet access in general, I think 15th out of 190-odd countries is decent. It's certainly in the top 1
by mdasen 18y ago
While I'm all for improving the state of broadband and internet access in general, I think 15th out of 190-odd countries is decent. It's certainly in the top 10%. In fact, according to international studies, it's better than we do in education.
I think the internet is wonderful, but the US will lag in broadband over densely populated, urban nations. The US has a huge rural population and I really do hope that wireless broadband improves our ability to serve them, but sometimes there are limitations.
Plus, I don't actually think the statistics show the US as having a bad adoption rate. (http://www.internetworldstats.com/dsl.htm http://www.internetworldstats.com/dsl.htm) That's what I found quickly searching. The US comes out on top of Germany and Japan (both countries that are very urban and densely populated). I think one of the keys is also that we are decently close to the leadership. It's not like the leaders (1-12) have 70% adoption and then there's a steep drop off to us at 20% adoption.
I'd bet that this is more of a state by state issue. Densely populated states like NJ, RI, and MA probably have broadband adoption rates that would be much better than the country as a whole - and seeing as though many of the countries doing better than the US are the geographic size of (or have a populated center the geographic size of) one of our smaller states, that might make for a better comparison. Out of the 18 countries beating the US, only Canada, the UK and France are of any size. Comparing the US to a country like Denmark isn't really fair. We're talking about comparing 31 people per km^2 to 127 people per km^2. And the countries that have lower population densities often have the majority of their population in a few urban centers.
Lastly, there's a methodology problem. We're comparing broadband connections to the number of people. That doesn't tell us what percentage of people have broadband. I live with several other people and we have one broadband connection for the house. We all have access, but it will look like we have a 25% adoption rate. As European families usually have fewer children, that might create a bias in tabulating. With a US family averaging over 25% more children than a Swedish family, there might be an uncorrected bias that skews results against the US. Of course, if the US has more split families, that could skew in the US' favor.
I just think this is one of those cases where a politician is grandstanding without facts being behind them. OMG IT'S UNACCEPTABLE!!! No, it's pretty acceptable. Yeah, we should improve, but you can't expect the US as a whole to be able to match a country with a much denser population and a much smaller geographic area to cover. We're doing really well that we're so close.
Stop making everything unacceptable! It just means that people don't listen to you because you've shown an ineptitude at interpreting data.
- GavinB 18y agoThe adoption rate may be okay but even in large cities what we call "broadband" is no comparison to what they have in, say, Korea. Our tubes just aren't as big. And no, it's not that they're compensating for something, get your mind out of the gutter.
- robg 18y agoI live only 100 miles north of Boston, in a fairly "wealthy" state (New Hampshire) and my only option is satellite. That's just a sad state of the infrastructure. Furthermore, broadband speeds vary from country to country: http://www.worldpoliticsreview.com/Images/commentarynews/broadbandspeedchart.jpg http://www.worldpoliticsreview.com/Images/commentarynews/bro... It's not just penetration that we lag behind. It's speed too. As for density, Canada's a fairly big place, and they have a bigger, faster broadband (see my link and yours) even as their GDP is 10% of ours: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)
- ciscoriordan 18y agoWhereabouts in NH? I'm from Bow, and wasn't aware of other New Hampshirites on Hacker News. I had Comcast cable and I feel like most of the families in my town with young people in the households did too.
- jmtame 18y agoAh yes. We call that technique "redlining." Compliments of your lobbyists representing AT&T, Comcast, and Verizon. Special thanks goes to HR 5252.