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No. No-one will read it and it slows down "what collaboration do we need to set up today" aspect.

by the_other 3y ago

lapcat 3y ago
If no one will read it, then maybe it's not important, so you don't need the meeting either? ;-)
- The_Colonel 3y ago
  If I don't go to gym, does that mean exercise is not important? Some things are not very enjoyable, but still necessary.
  - lapcat 3y ago
    We know scientifically that exercise is important. I highly doubt the same level of evidence exists for the importance of these short meetings. Also, if your boss tells you to read the emails, and you don't, then you can get fired. You can't get fired from your job for not exercising. If you can ignore the emails and not get fired, that's proof in itself that the emails are not important, at least not to your boss.
    - The_Colonel 3y ago
      > Also, if your boss tells you to read the emails, and you don't, then you can get fired. The boss has no easy way to tell if you read the emails or not. The consequences of lack of information are often hidden / long term. In many countries, it's pretty much impossible to fire employees for forgetting to read an email. > If you can ignore the emails and not get fired, that's proof in itself that the emails are not important, at least not to your boss. I'll try a proof in a similar style - if Scrum was so wildly inefficient, the companies practicing it would be a long time out of business since companies with no meetings would easily outcompete them by offering better products/services for lower costs. Yet Scrum (or similar methodologies) are used in many successful companies all over the world, that's a proof that Scrum works. How do you like them now, these oversimplistic "proofs"?
      - lapcat 3y ago
        > In many countries, it's pretty much impossible to fire employees for forgetting to read an email. What about "forgetting" to attend a 10 minute meeting? > I'll try a proof in a similar style It wasn't a similar style.
        The_Colonel 3y ago
        > What about "forgetting" to attend a 10 minute meeting? The instances of people not attending standups I've seen were just symptoms of a larger problem, and such people did not last long in the company.
        lapcat 3y ago
        You didn't answer my question. Can they be fired or not? And if yes, what makes it different from emails?
  - jq-r 3y ago
    Also there are some things which are not enjoyable, and definitely not necessary. Standups are one of these in my honest opionion.
- the_other 3y ago
  > then maybe it's not important The main point of stand-up/daily scrum is to set up collaborations and coordination. It's where you invite pairs, inform POs of blockers and discoveries that will lead to longer timelines etc. If you're doing all that anyway, keep going and don't worry about stand-up.

No. No-one will read it and it slows down "what collaboration do we need to set up today" aspect.

lapcat 3y ago

If no one will read it, then maybe it's not important, so you don't need the meeting either? ;-)

The_Colonel 3y ago
If I don't go to gym, does that mean exercise is not important? Some things are not very enjoyable, but still necessary.
- lapcat 3y ago
  We know scientifically that exercise is important. I highly doubt the same level of evidence exists for the importance of these short meetings. Also, if your boss tells you to read the emails, and you don't, then you can get fired. You can't get fired from your job for not exercising. If you can ignore the emails and not get fired, that's proof in itself that the emails are not important, at least not to your boss.
  - The_Colonel 3y ago
    > Also, if your boss tells you to read the emails, and you don't, then you can get fired. The boss has no easy way to tell if you read the emails or not. The consequences of lack of information are often hidden / long term. In many countries, it's pretty much impossible to fire employees for forgetting to read an email. > If you can ignore the emails and not get fired, that's proof in itself that the emails are not important, at least not to your boss. I'll try a proof in a similar style - if Scrum was so wildly inefficient, the companies practicing it would be a long time out of business since companies with no meetings would easily outcompete them by offering better products/services for lower costs. Yet Scrum (or similar methodologies) are used in many successful companies all over the world, that's a proof that Scrum works. How do you like them now, these oversimplistic "proofs"?
    - lapcat 3y ago
      > In many countries, it's pretty much impossible to fire employees for forgetting to read an email. What about "forgetting" to attend a 10 minute meeting? > I'll try a proof in a similar style It wasn't a similar style.
      - The_Colonel 3y ago
        > What about "forgetting" to attend a 10 minute meeting? The instances of people not attending standups I've seen were just symptoms of a larger problem, and such people did not last long in the company.
        lapcat 3y ago
        You didn't answer my question. Can they be fired or not? And if yes, what makes it different from emails?
- jq-r 3y ago
  Also there are some things which are not enjoyable, and definitely not necessary. Standups are one of these in my honest opionion.
the_other 3y ago
> then maybe it's not important The main point of stand-up/daily scrum is to set up collaborations and coordination. It's where you invite pairs, inform POs of blockers and discoveries that will lead to longer timelines etc. If you're doing all that anyway, keep going and don't worry about stand-up.