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Since this plane was built last year, I’m assuming they know who was responsible for tightening the bolts and inspections. A journalist needs to bluntly ask if

Since this plane was built last year, I’m assuming they know who was responsible for tightening the bolts and inspections. A journalist needs to bluntly ask if they’ve been fired. If they haven’t, it’s all lip service.

eastbound 3y ago
Fired? Fired for murder? Also time doesn’t matter, they should have named records for the lifespan of the plane. Everything else is just destruction of evidence. We need every culprit of the 500+ deaths, or else Boeing has not improved a bit in quality.
meandmycode 3y ago
That's true, I'll feel immense relief to hear "the responsible person has been fired". Done and dusted, the angels in management hunted down the demon with the spanner that couldn't be bothered to do his job. He's probably just doing donuts in his lambo the cheeky beggar.
- tiahura 3y ago
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necessity_and_sufficiency https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necessity_and_sufficiency
grogenaut 3y ago
But what let to a situation where someone isn't tightening bolts? Is that pervasive? Is management setting up timelines that cause steps to be skipped? Fire the wrench holder and declare it fixed?
- brookst 3y ago
  Agreed. The processes need to assume that humans are imperfect. Firing someone for being imperfect is pure window dressing and would do nothing to prevent the statistically inevitable next time. Instead of performative scapegoating, we should be asking how it’s possible that there is no documentation showing critical steps were done correctly.
piva00 3y ago
Fear based on blame is notoriously bad for any process that improve safety. You fire who did it wrong and people will stop putting the right names in the right boxes when signing off stuff, things will be shoved under the rug for fear of retribution. That's exactly the wrong way to deal with the issue...
- tiahura 3y ago
  Ahh. I see, the person who didn’t tighten the bolts and person who didn’t inspect them just need more empowering training. I’ve got a feeling that would not have been the approach when Boeing was at its best. Heads would have rolled.
  - bigbillheck 3y ago
    Is that feeling based on anything besides wanting to be seen as a tough guy?
  - Gud 3y ago
    I work as an on site supervisor for a manufacturing plant. The very first thing I tell my subordinates is that it's OK to make mistakes, and that I have made costly mistakes myself. Just report it so that it can be fixed.
  - piva00 3y ago
    Maybe there needs first to be an investigation on what kind of process failure existed for those things even to happen in the first place? If both failed at their jobs there's something a bit more smelly than just "individual responsibility" going on in an industry where process is extremely important for safety, don't you agree?
6R1M0R4CL3 3y ago
fish rots starting at the head fire the ceo. fire all the managers in the chain that were warned of issues, and asked employees to hide those by making false documentation. and bar them, for life, to work in anything that has lives that can be put at risk.

eastbound 3y ago

Fired? Fired for murder? Also time doesn’t matter, they should have named records for the lifespan of the plane. Everything else is just destruction of evidence. We need every culprit of the 500+ deaths, or else Boeing has not improved a bit in quality.

meandmycode 3y ago

That's true, I'll feel immense relief to hear "the responsible person has been fired". Done and dusted, the angels in management hunted down the demon with the spanner that couldn't be bothered to do his job. He's probably just doing donuts in his lambo the cheeky beggar.

tiahura 3y ago
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necessity_and_sufficiency https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necessity_and_sufficiency

grogenaut 3y ago

But what let to a situation where someone isn't tightening bolts? Is that pervasive? Is management setting up timelines that cause steps to be skipped? Fire the wrench holder and declare it fixed?

brookst 3y ago
Agreed. The processes need to assume that humans are imperfect. Firing someone for being imperfect is pure window dressing and would do nothing to prevent the statistically inevitable next time. Instead of performative scapegoating, we should be asking how it’s possible that there is no documentation showing critical steps were done correctly.

piva00 3y ago

Fear based on blame is notoriously bad for any process that improve safety. You fire who did it wrong and people will stop putting the right names in the right boxes when signing off stuff, things will be shoved under the rug for fear of retribution. That's exactly the wrong way to deal with the issue...

tiahura 3y ago
Ahh. I see, the person who didn’t tighten the bolts and person who didn’t inspect them just need more empowering training. I’ve got a feeling that would not have been the approach when Boeing was at its best. Heads would have rolled.
- bigbillheck 3y ago
  Is that feeling based on anything besides wanting to be seen as a tough guy?
- Gud 3y ago
  I work as an on site supervisor for a manufacturing plant. The very first thing I tell my subordinates is that it's OK to make mistakes, and that I have made costly mistakes myself. Just report it so that it can be fixed.
- piva00 3y ago
  Maybe there needs first to be an investigation on what kind of process failure existed for those things even to happen in the first place? If both failed at their jobs there's something a bit more smelly than just "individual responsibility" going on in an industry where process is extremely important for safety, don't you agree?

6R1M0R4CL3 3y ago

fish rots starting at the head fire the ceo. fire all the managers in the chain that were warned of issues, and asked employees to hide those by making false documentation. and bar them, for life, to work in anything that has lives that can be put at risk.