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The service costs X. You do not have a right to use someones service without paying that X. Support Nebula. Support PeerTube. Pay them.

by izacus 3y ago

piva00 3y ago
I pay Nebula. I paid YouTube Premium Lite to get rid of ads, I will not pay 2x for the same feature since I do not need offline, Music, nor background play, if they decided to cut my use case from their offering by forcing me to pay extra rent then I can decided to not pay them and use an adblocker. I do not need to bend over for a digital feudal lord.
- izacus 3y ago
  Then don't. Noone is forcing you. Just like noone is forcing you to watch Hulu or BBC.
  - piva00 3y ago
    No one is forcing me except there's no other place on the internet to find educational content about some of my hobbies. I don't have a choice to go somewhere else to watch them and learn (and for some, not even read, it's mostly in video tutorial form); they are exclusively on YouTube because there's no other place to upload them to be syndicated in a discoverable way... Give them an open standard for that and there will probably be competition so I can move away from YouTube. You are either being extremely naive about the state of the internet in 2024, or do not use YouTube for the content I do, or are just being obtuse to try to make a point. "No one is forcing you" is a non-sequitur, it's a thought-terminating cliche that does not work when platforms have taken over and fenced off huge parts of the internet, c'mon. I'd love to avoid YouTube if there was another option, there simply isn't. Comparing YouTube with Hulu and BBC is... Just stupid. What do these services have in common apart from "they display videos"? Please, read this: https://pluralistic.net/2024/01/13/solidarity-forever/ https://pluralistic.net/2024/01/13/solidarity-forever/
rglullis 3y ago
How has that "if you don't want to have ads, pay for it" logic worked out for cable TV subscribers?
- izacus 3y ago
  Very well it seems? They cut the cord and have moved to pay for VoD services.
  - rglullis 3y ago
    > VoD services Which are now also starting to add ads to their "basic" offerings, even though the "basic" offer is costing more than the "full package" used to cost 2-3 years ago.
    - izacus 3y ago
      And that's the point where you can stop paying for those. It's not marriage you know.
      - rglullis 3y ago
        It's not a marriage. It is a string of relationships with different people, all of them with a history of abuse and manipulation and a unfounded belief of "this one will be different". No, thank you. I rather preempt the whole thing and stay away from all of them. Let me summarize: I do not accept the premise that I owe them anything for viewing the videos that are publicly available. I do not accept the premise that they are entitled to their business model. I do not accept the premise that they can dictate how I watch the video or how my browser (aka the user agent) must behave. If they do not want to serve content for customers that do not pay, they need to authenticate and paywall their site. Destroying the competition by price dumping and changing the rules after you are a de-facto monopoly is not only immoral, it is illegal.
- HDThoreaun 3y ago
  If you dont like the product being offered you can choose to get rid of it, as cable users have done.
Eisenstein 3y ago
If the service is a de facto monopoly, then what right do you have?
- piva00 3y ago
  It's turning out to be worse than a monopoly, it's becoming a feudal system, we are all paying rent to the lords (Google, Meta, Amazon, etc.) through our attention, through our piecemeal data that ends up creating a whole identity of ourselves to their systems. We are feeding all of them with free work about what we like or dislike and allowing them to shape our behaviours based on this free labour. They fenced of parts of the internet, there's no way to compete with Google on YouTube, there's no way to create an alternative marketplace to Amazon, they control these now and we all need to pay rent.
- izacus 3y ago
  What's YouTube monopoly of?
dotnet00 3y ago
That has worked so well for all the fully premium streaming services which have gradually announced that they're showing ads anyway.

The service costs X. You do not have a right to use someones service without paying that X. Support Nebula. Support PeerTube. Pay them.

by izacus 3y ago

The service costs X. You do not have a right to use someones service without paying that X. Support Nebula. Support PeerTube. Pay them.

piva00 3y ago

I pay Nebula. I paid YouTube Premium Lite to get rid of ads, I will not pay 2x for the same feature since I do not need offline, Music, nor background play, if they decided to cut my use case from their offering by forcing me to pay extra rent then I can decided to not pay them and use an adblocker. I do not need to bend over for a digital feudal lord.

izacus 3y ago
Then don't. Noone is forcing you. Just like noone is forcing you to watch Hulu or BBC.
- piva00 3y ago
  No one is forcing me except there's no other place on the internet to find educational content about some of my hobbies. I don't have a choice to go somewhere else to watch them and learn (and for some, not even read, it's mostly in video tutorial form); they are exclusively on YouTube because there's no other place to upload them to be syndicated in a discoverable way... Give them an open standard for that and there will probably be competition so I can move away from YouTube. You are either being extremely naive about the state of the internet in 2024, or do not use YouTube for the content I do, or are just being obtuse to try to make a point. "No one is forcing you" is a non-sequitur, it's a thought-terminating cliche that does not work when platforms have taken over and fenced off huge parts of the internet, c'mon. I'd love to avoid YouTube if there was another option, there simply isn't. Comparing YouTube with Hulu and BBC is... Just stupid. What do these services have in common apart from "they display videos"? Please, read this: https://pluralistic.net/2024/01/13/solidarity-forever/ https://pluralistic.net/2024/01/13/solidarity-forever/

rglullis 3y ago

How has that "if you don't want to have ads, pay for it" logic worked out for cable TV subscribers?

izacus 3y ago
Very well it seems? They cut the cord and have moved to pay for VoD services.
- rglullis 3y ago
  > VoD services Which are now also starting to add ads to their "basic" offerings, even though the "basic" offer is costing more than the "full package" used to cost 2-3 years ago.
  - izacus 3y ago
    And that's the point where you can stop paying for those. It's not marriage you know.
    - rglullis 3y ago
      It's not a marriage. It is a string of relationships with different people, all of them with a history of abuse and manipulation and a unfounded belief of "this one will be different". No, thank you. I rather preempt the whole thing and stay away from all of them. Let me summarize: I do not accept the premise that I owe them anything for viewing the videos that are publicly available. I do not accept the premise that they are entitled to their business model. I do not accept the premise that they can dictate how I watch the video or how my browser (aka the user agent) must behave. If they do not want to serve content for customers that do not pay, they need to authenticate and paywall their site. Destroying the competition by price dumping and changing the rules after you are a de-facto monopoly is not only immoral, it is illegal.
HDThoreaun 3y ago
If you dont like the product being offered you can choose to get rid of it, as cable users have done.

Eisenstein 3y ago

If the service is a de facto monopoly, then what right do you have?

piva00 3y ago
It's turning out to be worse than a monopoly, it's becoming a feudal system, we are all paying rent to the lords (Google, Meta, Amazon, etc.) through our attention, through our piecemeal data that ends up creating a whole identity of ourselves to their systems. We are feeding all of them with free work about what we like or dislike and allowing them to shape our behaviours based on this free labour. They fenced of parts of the internet, there's no way to compete with Google on YouTube, there's no way to create an alternative marketplace to Amazon, they control these now and we all need to pay rent.
izacus 3y ago
What's YouTube monopoly of?

dotnet00 3y ago

That has worked so well for all the fully premium streaming services which have gradually announced that they're showing ads anyway.