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Are you claiming that using Linux in 2023 will not pretty much require "command line fiddling" to some unavoidable degree (unless you have somebody else do the

Are you claiming that using Linux in 2023 will not pretty much require "command line fiddling" to some unavoidable degree (unless you have somebody else do the setup for you and day to day just use what's there)? Because, if so, that would very much not be my experience. Broadly speaking, what advancements am I likely missing out on?

graemep 3y ago
Depends on distro and usage, but once installed Linux does not need command line fiddling. There are GUIs for installing and updating the OS and applications and pretty much everything else an average user does.
- jstummbillig 3y ago
  In that case I will have to disagree. I run a stock, up to date Ubuntu. Yes, there is a GUI for a lot of things, but I will most certainly run into something that will require me to drop to the CLI before long – which I am fine with, but I am not going to pretend it won't inevitably happen. My experience is: On Windows, for most enduser use cases (and this absolutely excludes anything dev related), I would expect the user to get by without touching the CLI. In fact, I would assume that any given application will expose all of its functionality only through a graphical UI. For me, on Linux, the opposite expectation applies.
  - rigid 3y ago
    also nothing in linux will ever just give some cryptic hex code error or crash report. It's either crashdump or nice error message. If not I just increase loglevel to find the actual problem.
  - swells34 3y ago
    I disagree. On stock Ubuntu, there is no normal situation you'll run into where you must use a terminal. If you decide to do something that requires a terminal, that's a different story. But basically every normal operation you'd do on windows GUI (and more...), you have a GUI option available on Ubuntu; it is the Windows of the Linux world, and it behaves as such.
    - gverrilla 3y ago
      Cmon my ubuntu stock can't even remember my sound input options, which are reset on each reboot. There's no option for that on the GUI. Also upgrading linux can be a big pain for non-experts. I've been using dualboot windows/linux for a long time, and I simply don't upgrade ubuntu: I'll do a fresh install if I want/need the new version.

graemep 3y ago

Depends on distro and usage, but once installed Linux does not need command line fiddling. There are GUIs for installing and updating the OS and applications and pretty much everything else an average user does.

jstummbillig 3y ago
In that case I will have to disagree. I run a stock, up to date Ubuntu. Yes, there is a GUI for a lot of things, but I will most certainly run into something that will require me to drop to the CLI before long – which I am fine with, but I am not going to pretend it won't inevitably happen. My experience is: On Windows, for most enduser use cases (and this absolutely excludes anything dev related), I would expect the user to get by without touching the CLI. In fact, I would assume that any given application will expose all of its functionality only through a graphical UI. For me, on Linux, the opposite expectation applies.
- rigid 3y ago
  also nothing in linux will ever just give some cryptic hex code error or crash report. It's either crashdump or nice error message. If not I just increase loglevel to find the actual problem.
- swells34 3y ago
  I disagree. On stock Ubuntu, there is no normal situation you'll run into where you must use a terminal. If you decide to do something that requires a terminal, that's a different story. But basically every normal operation you'd do on windows GUI (and more...), you have a GUI option available on Ubuntu; it is the Windows of the Linux world, and it behaves as such.
  - gverrilla 3y ago
    Cmon my ubuntu stock can't even remember my sound input options, which are reset on each reboot. There's no option for that on the GUI. Also upgrading linux can be a big pain for non-experts. I've been using dualboot windows/linux for a long time, and I simply don't upgrade ubuntu: I'll do a fresh install if I want/need the new version.