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Raspberry Pi is manufacturing 70K Raspberry Pi 5s per week
- HankB99 3y agoAnd Pi 5s are still hard to find. But it's getting better. I wanted (and got) one for myself and one for my grandson. Edit: Too bad they didn't credit what I suspect was the original source for this information https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lky4FSfbc1E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lky4FSfbc1E. (Hopefully that's the right URL, An ad was still playing.)
- johann8384 3y agoAnd they aren't even really that great. The OrangePi line for example is a lot better for the price.
- greyw 3y agoBetter in terms of hardware maybe. The software story looks much worse though which for me is the more important part.
- jauntywundrkind 3y agoNone of the players here seem to have much to say for themselves. Not Broadcomm (maker of RPi cpu) nor Rockchip (maker of opi cpu) nor RPi nor opi. RPi has had some very dedicated mostly independent contributors dragging things along. I think a couple have received some small sums for their work from the producing companies but miniscule amounts compared to the work. OPi seems further behind and again reliant on volunteer forces. It's just so damned sad. Also sad: the best arm boards available for under say $500 are some chips announced 2018 (Cortex A76). Even with Intel flat out not shipping new nodes for half a decade, they still have steadier better delivery pipeline than arm.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 3y agoHardware is more than numbers on a spec sheet. It's the community (proxy for support), developers, maintainers, etc. Hot take: If I need something more powerful than an RPI then I'm shooting for x86.
- kiwijamo 3y agoI have a Raspberry Pi 4 and I've found it to struggle with basic stuff that is fast and easily done on low end x86 machines. But you're right about the community. When I had trouble with playing videos (massive tearing and frequent frame drops), I was able to find online that I needed to run a very specific video player (VLC) in a very specific desktop environment (the XFCE or whatever they use by default) running on top of a 32-bit kernel (which has the hardware acceleration features not present in the 64-bit kernel) to be able to take advantage of the hardware video acceleration. Nice to know but given that that sort of stuff just works out of the box on pretty much any x86 box, I've decided that my next tiny home server will be a low end x86 box. I had high hopes given the rave reviews I see online but the reality is somewhat not even close to the hype. Still a nice piece of kit for something very simple but don't expect too much from it.
- shrubble 3y agoThe Intel N100 based home servers/thin clients like Beelink are more but will be far faster and barely use any more power.
- m4r1k 3y agoBeelink, Minisforum and others in the same category have awful, nearly nonexistent post-sales support, no bios/firmware updates, and it's not built to last like the NUC.
- Toutouxc 3y agoMy home server is an Intel NUC 11, the cheapest, least powerful version. It has a dual core Celeron, cost around $200 with 8 GB RAM and a 256 GB SSD. I put Debian on it, tweaked the fan curve so that the fan only spins under load, put the whole thing in an IKEA cabinet and forgotten about it. It just sits on the network, responds to SSH, runs whatever Docker container I throw at it. Zero issues. It didn’t come from a shady Chinese marketplace, didn’t need an esoteric charger, didn’t need a special distro or weird drivers, came in a nice cardboard box, with warranty, from the largest electronics retailer in the country. If you can’t tell, I’m still really happy about my purchase.
- blihp 3y agoI was actually looking into the Orange Pi this weekend... the driver situation remains a deal killer for me. Sadly the Raspberry Pi offers crap hardware with almost good drivers while most of the other SBC's offer good hardware with crap drivers and/or binaries only for specific kernel releases. It's impressive how actively bad ARM is for anything remotely user facing on Linux... nVidia wasn't even this bad for this long.
- ThatPlayer 3y agoThe older RK3399 boards are basically mainlined. The PinePhone Pro uses a variant of that SoC, the RK3399S. But it's an older SoC these days. The open source Panfrost GPU drivers for that are great though: full desktop OpenGL support! Not just that OpenGLES stuff. Pine64 does have a newer QuartzPro64 that they're also working on mainline support for. The Orange Pi 5 uses the same SoC. And yeah support isn't there yet, but I'm hopeful: https://wiki.pine64.org/wiki/QuartzPro64_Development#Upstreaming_Status https://wiki.pine64.org/wiki/QuartzPro64_Development#Upstrea...
- blihp 3y agoRight, that's the problem: getting mainline support while the processor is still relevant rather than years after the fact... if at all.[1] Also, the bar has moved. OpenGL was good enough 10 years ago. What about OpenCL? Vulkan? NPU support? HDMI in? etc. (I'm very interested in the functionality the 3588 offers but not if that functionality is just on paper with the hope that maybe someday someone gets it working or if I need to run a cobbled together kernel build that won't see meaningful updates) [1] There have been plenty of devices where someone was working on drivers and then the developer moved on or a new revision was released etc and the original thing never gets the support people bought it anticipating.
- chazeon 3y agoThe CPU yes, but not for peripherals. The Wi-Fi on my Orange Pi 4B dropped connections after 5 mins and cannot connect afterwards using Armbian image.
- ThatPlayer 3y agoI've got a few Orange Pi boards, but I think the rPi 5 does slot inbetween Orange Pi's offerings. The Orange Pi 5 is definitely nicer hardware, with an NVME M2 slot and rockchip's NPU (which I want for Frigate object detection on my home security cameras). But it's easily 100$, double the price of a rPi 5. Their lower end board is in a more similar price point to the Raspberry Pi, the Orange Pi 3B with a Rockchip RK3566. And it is slower than the Raspberry Pi 5 in benchmarks I've seen. Though if you don't mind ordering from Aliexpress, it's more in the Pi 4's price range there and does beat out that in performance. It also has an NVMe slot which is why I picked it for my use. Unfortunately it's also lacking a maintainer for Armbian: https://www.armbian.com/orangepi3b/ https://www.armbian.com/orangepi3b/ . With how fast they drop board support, I'm wary about long-term support from Orange Pi without Armbian. I've got an Orange Pi 4 (not the 4B or 4 LTS which are different) that they haven't released a new image for in years. Meanwhile Raspberry Pi OS still supports the rPi 1. Also ignore the order of numbers, the Orange Pi 4 is older and slower than the Orange Pi 3B.
- archi42 3y agoThis! I recently had to rig something up in an emergency: Did a `pacman -S rpi-imager` since that's what Google says the kids use these days (it's new to me!), selected the RPi4, selected the headless Armbian, gave it my ssh public key, entered WiFi credentials and hit go. Then realized I could not find that lovely 3A USB power supply, and couldn't get one since it was saturday night. Next I messed around with an old OrangePi just to realize they never updated the Armbian (even though I got the device tree into the Kernel!). Downloaded the ancient image from their Google Drive, got BalenaEtcher running again (its not in my repos) and then figured the SBC must be fried anyway. Luckily I remembered that I still had a RPi1 that was collecting dust and should work with any old USB charger. Checked `rpi-imager` and indeed, it supported that old thing! Created the SD card (config was still saved), grabbed an old USB WiFi adapter and powered the thing up. And it just worked :) The emergency was: My 20m USB extension cord with the zigbee coordinator failed after 2y, and I could not turn on a few of our lights. Using `usbip` I now forward it to the automation server from that RPi1 (I initially didn't think about the RPi1 since I wanted to run zigbee2mqtt on the device, but eventually found out about usbip). Bonus 1: I still have the spare RPi4 that I wanted to attach to the 3D printer because I could re-use the old one :) Bonus 2: I now know that rpi-imager has a ready-made Klipper image and I don't need to set it all up by hand. Next time I consider getting another SBC, it will be an RPi again.
- returnInfinity 3y agoPi 5 unfortunately needs a non-standard charger. It requires 5v & 5A charger. Its been difficult to acquire one in India.
- 0x1ceb00da 3y agoWhy don't they package/sell one with the rpi? It isn't an optional peripheral.
- ssl-3 3y agoIt is optional, though. The Raspberry Pi 5 does support USB-PD. There aren't very presently very many USB-PD chargers that support the 5A@5V mode that it prefers, but they do exist. And like what happened with the Raspberry Pi 3s and 4s (which also had somewhat peculiar power desires and also did not include a power supply), additional third parties will come forward to produce their own versions of Raspberry Pi 5 power supply. (It's only natural, and history supports this happening.) But even on a desert island: It can be powered through the GPIO header just like all other previous versions, if that's what you want to do. Just put a reasonably-stable 5V supply on there that can output 5A, and power it up. No big deal. Also like with previous Pis: A person is also free to goof around with using whatever USB bricks they have laying around. Might work, might not -- but it's a device that is intended to be a learning tool. Or: Buy a kit from a kit-maker like Vilross or something, if you need accessories included all in one box. (At any rate: Raspberry Pis have always just been bare boards, not complete systems.)
- newsclues 3y ago"(At any rate: Raspberry Pis have always just been bare boards, not complete systems.)" https://www.raspberrypi.com/products/raspberry-pi-400/ https://www.raspberrypi.com/products/raspberry-pi-400/
- ssl-3 3y agohttps://www.raspberrypi.com/products/raspberry-pi-400-unit/ https://www.raspberrypi.com/products/raspberry-pi-400-unit/
- charcircuit 3y agoRPis have been in a shortage for what, half a decade now? I'm skeptical that they've somehow figured out how to produce enough units.
- Tor3 3y agoWhere I looked they're in stock and can, according to the site, be delivered in a week or so.
- kristjank 3y agoRaspberry really needs to pick up the pace to compete with newer (albeit more expensive) SBCs with Intel N100 and similar processors. The TDPs are very comparable, but the x86_64 still blows it out of the park performance-wise. Also, software support is a non-issue on Intel platforms, which still is not the case for Arm platforms.
- ulnarkressty 3y agoOn non-accelerated tasks the performance is very close[0] and at half the idle power consumption. For the specific case of a low-power always-on platform, it's still the best. [0] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hekzpSH25lk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hekzpSH25lk
- Denvercoder9 3y agoI'm not sure based on what exactly you think the performance is very close (video is a terrible way to present information), but in the benchmark shown at the end of the "CPU Performance" section, the Intel beats the Pi by almost 3x.
- criddell 3y agoI don’t think they need to do that. They are still selling every single board they can make and I think a diversity of boards and approaches is great.
- kristjank 3y agoProbably not. However, a large portions of their customers are integrating them into industrial products because of their cost-effectiveness or scalping them to sell at a markup.
- tempaccount420 3y agoBoards that they could sell, but can't because of manufacturing issues, is also a loss ;)
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- izacus 3y agoHow's the heat on the 5s? I've been a bit disappointed at how hot RPi4 was getting (and how much power it's using) while essentially idling - with CPUs parked at 300Mhz it still runs at 50C+ while passive, which is... a lot. Is 5 any better at power savings?
- criddell 3y agoI wonder if it’s due to Linux? Are there other operating systems designed for efficiency? I look at what smartwatch makers are able to do with a tiny battery and think there has to be a way.
- izacus 3y agoYeah, that's actually what I'm asking - phones and watches have SoCs that can idle at much lower power uses while RPi SoC seems a bit wasteful. Was that improved with RPi5?
- bmh 3y agoYou need active cooling if you want to extract all the performance out of it. The standard cooling kits sold by Raspberry Pi are neat and cheap though, so not a problem in my experience. They have two options: A case with a fan on top, and a small heatsink + fan combo. The fans run at variable speed, so generally pretty quiet.
- ZunarJ5 3y agoIf anyone is looking: https://www.rpilocator.com https://www.rpilocator.com
- anyoneamous 3y agoAre there really significant use-cases which require both a higher performance processor and GPIO pins? I imagine at this point there is value in splitting the product line to tailor towards "mini Arm server", and "IoT/robotics" users separately.
- marius-sw 3y agoI use it with a LTE addon board to process/generate phone call audio locally.
- bryancoxwell 3y agoOut of curiosity could you expand on that please?
- marius-sw 3y agoAny specific questions? It's a home/office automation project, it's for fun and learning, we started it during a hackathon at my company. It does things like close the window blinds or turn off the lights with funny remarks in response.
- CptanPanic 3y agoThey do make 2 lower power boards, the Zero and the RP2040
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- TheNewsIsHere 3y agoI gave up on Raspberry Pi and have just started buying refurbished small form factor ThinkCentre models with i7 processors, adding my own SSD. They’re cheap for what you get, easily serviced, and _everything_ is available on x86-64 anyway. I haven’t been able to find a Raspberry Pi to purchase in years. There obviously have been, but never from a retailer I trust when I need one.
- Gud 3y agoThanks for the advice! This looks exactly like what I've been looking for as a home server. Have you by any chance tried a dual SSD installation for the RAIDZ/RAID1?
- red-iron-pine 3y agoThe Pi 2's I had were hit or miss and had hardware issues, and ended up repurposing an old laptop to fill in for it. Worked fine, and had decent luck buying older laptops off of kijiji / craigslist / fb marketplace and using those in lieu of Pi's. Outside of GPIO that's on the Pi's, the laptops are fine, and though a little more expensive they can also run more powerful VMs, have cooling, and can do x86 stuff.
- Havoc 3y agoSurprised they're moving so many. There are much better spec'd SBCs available at a +30% price point. (e.g. 32gb orange pi 5+) The only advantage a pi 5 has is good ecosystem, but if you're not after performance then you can get that with a 2nd hand pi4 - that has the pins and software. I don't get it but I'm all for SBC ecosystem seeing growth & enthusiasm of any kind.