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> how much you are shortening your life by standing at a gas pump inhaling carcinogens [Full disclosure: worked for years in a chemistry lab where we had "prop

> how much you are shortening your life by standing at a gas pump inhaling carcinogens [Full disclosure: worked for years in a chemistry lab where we had "proper" risks, including but not limited to real carcinogens] CDC: "there is no evidence that exposure to gasoline causes cancer in humans"[0] Petrol and diesel are easy to avoid inhaling, not least because they both stink. It's trivial to avoid any potential risk by turning away from the vehicle while fuelling. [0] https://wwwn.cdc.gov/TSP/ToxFAQs/ToxFAQsDetails.aspx?faqid=467&toxid=83#:~:text=Automotive%20gasoline%20is%20currently%20undergoing,gasoline%20causes%20cancer%20in%20humans https://wwwn.cdc.gov/TSP/ToxFAQs/ToxFAQsDetails.aspx?faqid=4....

grecy 3y ago
That link you posted reads almost criminally negligent. "There is not enough information available to determine if gasoline causes birth defects or affects reproduction" My god, spend some time in a remote aboriginal community in the 80s and 90s before OPAL fuel was invented and you would have had all the information you'll ever need. There's a reason they spent millions developing OPAL, and why regular unleaded gasoline (petrol) is illegal in virtually all aboriginal communities.
- greenyoda 3y ago
  According to Wikipedia, the injuries from gasoline in these communities resulted from deliberately using it as an inhalant (to get intoxicated). This can hardly be compared with standing at a gas pump outdoors for five minutes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opal_(fuel) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opal_(fuel) From that article: "Opal is a variety of low-aromatic 91 RON petrol developed in 2005 by BP Australia to combat the rising use of petrol as an inhalant in remote Indigenous Australian communities. ... Typical unleaded petrol contains 25% aromatics, such as toluene, ortho-xylene and para-xylene. In contrast, Opal contains only 5% aromatics, which means that it has less of the toluene and other solvents which produce the intoxication (or "high") that inhalant users are seeking."
  - grecy 3y ago
    I'm not comparing it to standing at a gas pump. I'm talking about this statement on the CDC site you linked: "There is not enough information available to determine if gasoline causes birth defects or affects reproduction" Borderline criminal.
    - logifail 3y ago
      Read an MSDS for unleaded petrol and it's clear one should not mess about with it. https://www.bp.com/content/dam/bp/country-sites/en_au/australia/home/products-services/data-sheets/regular-unleaded-petrol.pdf https://www.bp.com/content/dam/bp/country-sites/en_au/austra... Since we're talking about EVs, note that if "electricity" had an MSDS, it would also be full of lawyer-speak warning about risks :)

grecy 3y ago

That link you posted reads almost criminally negligent. "There is not enough information available to determine if gasoline causes birth defects or affects reproduction" My god, spend some time in a remote aboriginal community in the 80s and 90s before OPAL fuel was invented and you would have had all the information you'll ever need. There's a reason they spent millions developing OPAL, and why regular unleaded gasoline (petrol) is illegal in virtually all aboriginal communities.

greenyoda 3y ago
According to Wikipedia, the injuries from gasoline in these communities resulted from deliberately using it as an inhalant (to get intoxicated). This can hardly be compared with standing at a gas pump outdoors for five minutes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opal_(fuel) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opal_(fuel) From that article: "Opal is a variety of low-aromatic 91 RON petrol developed in 2005 by BP Australia to combat the rising use of petrol as an inhalant in remote Indigenous Australian communities. ... Typical unleaded petrol contains 25% aromatics, such as toluene, ortho-xylene and para-xylene. In contrast, Opal contains only 5% aromatics, which means that it has less of the toluene and other solvents which produce the intoxication (or "high") that inhalant users are seeking."
- grecy 3y ago
  I'm not comparing it to standing at a gas pump. I'm talking about this statement on the CDC site you linked: "There is not enough information available to determine if gasoline causes birth defects or affects reproduction" Borderline criminal.
  - logifail 3y ago
    Read an MSDS for unleaded petrol and it's clear one should not mess about with it. https://www.bp.com/content/dam/bp/country-sites/en_au/australia/home/products-services/data-sheets/regular-unleaded-petrol.pdf https://www.bp.com/content/dam/bp/country-sites/en_au/austra... Since we're talking about EVs, note that if "electricity" had an MSDS, it would also be full of lawyer-speak warning about risks :)