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If someone who wasn’t racist says they took LSD and found themselves one with all races, and ended up continuing to not be racist, that doesn’t tell me in any w

If someone who wasn’t racist says they took LSD and found themselves one with all races, and ended up continuing to not be racist, that doesn’t tell me in any way that LSD is “great” for dismantling racism. All I’m saying is that if someone is to make extraordinary claims “this drug is great against racism”, they should be able to back it up with more than “well I wasn’t racist before, and I’m still not, and besides we’re all one so why would someone else be?”

fasterik 3y ago
You should go back and re-read gavinray's post. I don't think they were making a claim anywhere near as strong as the claim that LSD is great for dismantling racism.
- basil-rash 3y ago
  > Particularly the psychedelic experience is great for sparking realizations that things like hate, xenophobia, racism, etc. are all so absurd and non-productive. I’m well aware of the claim. I’m the one who protested it to begin with. And I still have found no evidence that the parent hadn’t realized any of those beforehand.
  - fasterik 3y ago
    I don't think that's a charitable interpretation of what they said, and not how I interpreted it, but ok. It seems like I'm not going to convince you otherwise.
    - basil-rash 3y ago
      I just want evidence for the claim, but nobody wants to provide it, or even consider that requesting evidence is a valid response. This is the exact kind of behavior that gets the psychs-solve-everything crowd dismissed.
      - fasterik 3y ago
        If you Ctrl+F for my other responses in the thread, you'll see that I'm not advocating for psychs-solve-everything. I think a reasonable interpretation is that gavinray was giving their personal experience, not making a sweeping scientific claim. It would be like if I read a book that gave me a perspective on racism I had never thought of before, and I said "this book is great at showing you how racism is absurd!" It's not the kind of claim you would jump on and ask for a scientific study. In general, it's a good idea to take the most charitable version of what someone says, because people aren't always perfectly precise in their language. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_charity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_charity

fasterik 3y ago

You should go back and re-read gavinray's post. I don't think they were making a claim anywhere near as strong as the claim that LSD is great for dismantling racism.

basil-rash 3y ago
> Particularly the psychedelic experience is great for sparking realizations that things like hate, xenophobia, racism, etc. are all so absurd and non-productive. I’m well aware of the claim. I’m the one who protested it to begin with. And I still have found no evidence that the parent hadn’t realized any of those beforehand.
- fasterik 3y ago
  I don't think that's a charitable interpretation of what they said, and not how I interpreted it, but ok. It seems like I'm not going to convince you otherwise.
  - basil-rash 3y ago
    I just want evidence for the claim, but nobody wants to provide it, or even consider that requesting evidence is a valid response. This is the exact kind of behavior that gets the psychs-solve-everything crowd dismissed.
    - fasterik 3y ago
      If you Ctrl+F for my other responses in the thread, you'll see that I'm not advocating for psychs-solve-everything. I think a reasonable interpretation is that gavinray was giving their personal experience, not making a sweeping scientific claim. It would be like if I read a book that gave me a perspective on racism I had never thought of before, and I said "this book is great at showing you how racism is absurd!" It's not the kind of claim you would jump on and ask for a scientific study. In general, it's a good idea to take the most charitable version of what someone says, because people aren't always perfectly precise in their language. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_charity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_charity