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> For Taubes, dietary fat wasn’t a problem at all. Instead, the real danger was carbohydrate, he asserted, sparking a backlash, and fuelling the ongoing convers

> For Taubes, dietary fat wasn’t a problem at all. Instead, the real danger was carbohydrate, he asserted, sparking a backlash, and fuelling the ongoing conversation about what constitutes a “healthy diet” I've successfully lost 80 pounds in the past year after 10 years of yoyo dieting with low carb and counting calories. I did not become a healthy weight until I was counting calories on a HIGH CARB and HIGH PROTEIN diet and doing a significant amount of exercise 6 days a week. Meaning, 1 gram of protein per pound of lean body mass, 1 gram of fat per 1/3rd of your weight in pounds and as many carbs that fit in your calorie budget and at least 30 grams of fiber. Note, I'm not giving advice to people with diabetes but the reason there are so many people with metabolic disease in this country is not carbs. It's lack of exercise (and walking) and processed high calorie food. Those french fries you are avoiding, the reason they have so many calories is not because of carbs, it's because of fat. If you want to lose weight and you plan to also exercise, going low carb will hamstring you. The difference between running in the morning fasted and running after eating a single banana is the difference between feeling like you are being tortured and being able bounce around like a bunny. I was literally lying in bed all day with 0 mental energy on my diet because I went low carb. I failed my diet 3 times over 10 years because I believed the low carb bullshit. Go look around at how many people successfully lose weight, they all believe the same low carb stupidity. I'm running 30 miles a week and lifting 6 days a week, if I went low carb I would be tired in bed all day. If you don't have diabetes or some other metabolic disease, don't go low carb.

hackernoteng 3y ago
Too low carb can actually slow down thyroid and end up increasing both LDL and A1C because overall metabolism slows down too much. healthy carbs combined with lots of exercise works.
- paulpauper 3y ago
  but isn't ketosis supposed to increase metabolism
VirusNewbie 3y ago
>you. The difference between running in the morning fasted and running after eating a single banana is the difference between feeling like you are being tortured and being able bounce around like a bunny. This seems really wrong for the vast majority of people. Is your average person really bottlenecked by their blood glucose levels and not say, cardiovascular health or lung capacity? I think most people get winded in a hard run way before their muscles are low on energy and they are feeling sluggish, no?
- marcellus23 3y ago
  I think the assumption in that sentence is that you're already someone who runs, so you already have decent cardio fitness. And if you're a runner, yes, you can notice a massive difference between running on an empty stomach vs. running with some carbs in you.
- brigadier132 3y ago
  From what I understand the vast majority of people have very low metabolic health and their ability to use fat as energy during exercise is not well developed. Meaning they are almost exclusively using glucose and glycogen. From personal experience, when i was untrained, i could feel if i was fasted or not. Additionally if i did not eat some form of carbs 40 minutes into my workouts i would crash and burn but if i had a small gel pck i could go for another hour. I dont know the mechanism for how to glucose would even be absorbed that quickly but i did feel a noticeable boost in energy as soon as i consumed the gel. I think there is some connection between the digestive system and the brain that signals that you can use more glucose immediately after consuming food.
  - brigandish 3y ago
    This can be replicated without consuming any glucose, by simply washing something carbohydrate around the mouth. It's called the "Carbohydrate Mouth Rinse"[1]. If I can summarise, from memory, it tricks the brain into thinking more fuel is being added so it's okay to release more of the stored fuel it was holding back. > Routinely rinsing a carbohydrate-containing solution around the oral cavity for between 5-10 s has been shown to improve high intensity endurance performance lasting 30-70 min. > The magnitude of the performance benefit is similar to that of carbohydrate ingestion, although athletes who are prone to gastro-intestinal (GI) distress during high intensity exercise may want to consider rinsing because of the reduced risk of GI discomfort. > These effects appear to be specific to carbohydrate and independent of taste or sweetness. [1] https://www.gssiweb.org/sports-science-exchange/article/sse-118-carbohydrate-mouth-rinse-performance-effects-and-mechanisms https://www.gssiweb.org/sports-science-exchange/article/sse-...
kandu 3y ago
> If you want to lose weight and you plan to also exercise, going low carb will hamstring you. The difference between running in the morning fasted and running after eating a single banana is the difference between feeling like you are being tortured and being able bounce around like a bunny. A low carb diet may still contain enough carbs to inhibit the ketone generation mechanism. Was your ketogenesis active at the time? My experience of exercising under ketogenesis was OK.
- tracker1 3y ago
  Same. First time I went low carb I couldn't get through a full workout for close to a month. Adapting to keto can take longer especially if you're metabolically unhealthy to begin with.
DontchaKnowit 3y ago
Alternatively, I did keto for years and worked as a painter in the midwest US during the summers. No breakfast, no lunch, worked 8 hours in the peak summer heat no problem, setting up/tearing down scaffold, putting up siding, etc. Never felt exhausted. Lost weoght sucessfully and was in good shape. So basically all im saying is you gotta listen to your body and adjust accordingly. Keto/low carb does not work for everyone but it definitely is very effective for some
- paulpauper 3y ago
  hmm but a lot of people who do physical labor tend to be fat. I think what happens is they eat a lot off the job because the work causes hunger. Meanwhile, office people can stay slim despite not moving much. Of course, not everyone is the same.
  - DontchaKnowit 3y ago
    That wasnt my point. My point was just that I was able to do keto and engage in very difficult labor in strenuous conditions without issue. Also I think lots of cheap beer has something to do with the fatness of many laborors
uranium 3y ago
Bodies vary. Years ago my partner of the time and I did low carb at the same time, eating a lot of the same meals, of course. We both lost weight. We both ran. I felt great and had a lot of energy. They felt miserable for the whole multi-month period.

hackernoteng 3y ago

Too low carb can actually slow down thyroid and end up increasing both LDL and A1C because overall metabolism slows down too much. healthy carbs combined with lots of exercise works.

paulpauper 3y ago
but isn't ketosis supposed to increase metabolism

VirusNewbie 3y ago

>you. The difference between running in the morning fasted and running after eating a single banana is the difference between feeling like you are being tortured and being able bounce around like a bunny. This seems really wrong for the vast majority of people. Is your average person really bottlenecked by their blood glucose levels and not say, cardiovascular health or lung capacity? I think most people get winded in a hard run way before their muscles are low on energy and they are feeling sluggish, no?

marcellus23 3y ago
I think the assumption in that sentence is that you're already someone who runs, so you already have decent cardio fitness. And if you're a runner, yes, you can notice a massive difference between running on an empty stomach vs. running with some carbs in you.
brigadier132 3y ago
From what I understand the vast majority of people have very low metabolic health and their ability to use fat as energy during exercise is not well developed. Meaning they are almost exclusively using glucose and glycogen. From personal experience, when i was untrained, i could feel if i was fasted or not. Additionally if i did not eat some form of carbs 40 minutes into my workouts i would crash and burn but if i had a small gel pck i could go for another hour. I dont know the mechanism for how to glucose would even be absorbed that quickly but i did feel a noticeable boost in energy as soon as i consumed the gel. I think there is some connection between the digestive system and the brain that signals that you can use more glucose immediately after consuming food.
- brigandish 3y ago
  This can be replicated without consuming any glucose, by simply washing something carbohydrate around the mouth. It's called the "Carbohydrate Mouth Rinse"[1]. If I can summarise, from memory, it tricks the brain into thinking more fuel is being added so it's okay to release more of the stored fuel it was holding back. > Routinely rinsing a carbohydrate-containing solution around the oral cavity for between 5-10 s has been shown to improve high intensity endurance performance lasting 30-70 min. > The magnitude of the performance benefit is similar to that of carbohydrate ingestion, although athletes who are prone to gastro-intestinal (GI) distress during high intensity exercise may want to consider rinsing because of the reduced risk of GI discomfort. > These effects appear to be specific to carbohydrate and independent of taste or sweetness. [1] https://www.gssiweb.org/sports-science-exchange/article/sse-118-carbohydrate-mouth-rinse-performance-effects-and-mechanisms https://www.gssiweb.org/sports-science-exchange/article/sse-...

kandu 3y ago

> If you want to lose weight and you plan to also exercise, going low carb will hamstring you. The difference between running in the morning fasted and running after eating a single banana is the difference between feeling like you are being tortured and being able bounce around like a bunny. A low carb diet may still contain enough carbs to inhibit the ketone generation mechanism. Was your ketogenesis active at the time? My experience of exercising under ketogenesis was OK.

tracker1 3y ago
Same. First time I went low carb I couldn't get through a full workout for close to a month. Adapting to keto can take longer especially if you're metabolically unhealthy to begin with.

DontchaKnowit 3y ago

Alternatively, I did keto for years and worked as a painter in the midwest US during the summers. No breakfast, no lunch, worked 8 hours in the peak summer heat no problem, setting up/tearing down scaffold, putting up siding, etc. Never felt exhausted. Lost weoght sucessfully and was in good shape. So basically all im saying is you gotta listen to your body and adjust accordingly. Keto/low carb does not work for everyone but it definitely is very effective for some

paulpauper 3y ago
hmm but a lot of people who do physical labor tend to be fat. I think what happens is they eat a lot off the job because the work causes hunger. Meanwhile, office people can stay slim despite not moving much. Of course, not everyone is the same.
- DontchaKnowit 3y ago
  That wasnt my point. My point was just that I was able to do keto and engage in very difficult labor in strenuous conditions without issue. Also I think lots of cheap beer has something to do with the fatness of many laborors

uranium 3y ago

Bodies vary. Years ago my partner of the time and I did low carb at the same time, eating a lot of the same meals, of course. We both lost weight. We both ran. I felt great and had a lot of energy. They felt miserable for the whole multi-month period.