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It must aggrevate Google to know that they have very little control at all over the the majority of Android tablets out there. It must also excite Samsung to k

It must aggrevate Google to know that they have very little control at all over the the majority of Android tablets out there. It must also excite Samsung to know that it's possible to be successful using Google's software while simultaneously cutting Google near completely out of the picture. (Lots of Samsung might try to get out from under Google's thumb rumors + this = hopefully we'll see something big from Samsung!)

huggyface 14y ago
It must aggrevate Google to know that they have very little control at all over the the majority of Android tablets out there. Why would that aggravate them? Amazon did exactly what Google explicitly stated could and would be done with the Android code. Lots of Samsung might try to get out from under Google's thumb rumors + this = hopefully we'll see something big from Samsung! My Galaxy S II already has a Samsung store. It can access Samsung media. So...rumors? Sounds like some dreamy wishes of the anti-Android faction desperately hoping for a world where Android falls apart. The Kindle Fire makes Android stronger. Alternative stores and alternative media services make Android stronger. How is that difficult to understand?
- cmelbye 14y ago
  Because they have no control over its user interface, they don't control the app market, and they don't have control over whether or not the tablet uses Google services or not. Like it or not, Google is a for-profit corporation. For them, Android only "works" if they can control it and profit off of it. If the majority of devices running Android are completely out of their control without a Google-branded experience, it's not a sustainable business endeavor for them.
  - huggyface 14y ago
    If the majority of devices running Android are completely out of their control without a Google-branded experience Google makes a lot of cash off of iOS. They make a lot of cash off of Windows machines. Neither of which allow them to control the experience or dictate that they use Google services. Because it turns out that Google seems pretty confident about their services. That they want to compete on the merits of their services and features over locking you into specific features. They ship devices that allow me to flash a ROM that completely removes every hook to Google. They do this voluntarily. Adding armchair hypotheses about what Google needs to do, when it goes exactly contrary to everything they have done and continue to do seems rather remarkable.
    - talmand 14y ago
      Plus the fact that the majority of the Android experience has been out of the hands of Google from the beginning. The smartphone manufacturers and the carriers have more control over the install of Android on their devices than Google ever has. Google seems fine with that arrangement so far so I'm guessing it's working for them.
- betterth 14y ago
  The fanboy is strong with you. Google is CLEARLY trying to create a Apple-style universe. Hence the music store. Hence the app store. Hence forcing every google user in existence into at least seeing these services, and being automatically signed up for them (I never signed up for Google Play, surprisingly it already works for me). Google clearly is fighting the fragmentation of carriers, not happy about it! Where did you get this? Google has been trying to get their carriers to follow them, to follow guidelines, to decrease fragmentation, improve their update mechanisms. Heck, 4.0 was a subtle attempt to get a lot of the carriers to not built their shit on top (they of course, did), Google keeps threatening to shut off App Store access for versions of the software that don't meet their demands. This is not the behavior of a company who is shooting for and attempting to increase fragmentation of their platform. And, hilariously, you missed the biggest part: Google cares about advertising. They don't get to advertise on the Fire, in any form -- Amazon is the master of it. So no, you better bet that they're not thrilled about the two major points of their mobile platform being ignored (1: create a google universe that users live in 2: advertise to those users). Those are Google's clear and often-repeated goals. And the increasing fragmentation is ruining that, not helping it.
coob 14y ago
Samsung do devices, they have failed in every way possible to do services.
eitally 14y ago
"...hopefully we'll see something big from Samsung!" This was why the launch of the G SIII was delayed. Just a few more days to wait and you'll see.
- betterth 14y ago
  I waited, and I saw half-baked software addons to Android, some of which weren't even operating at show time. I saw an ugly beast of a phone that clearly spent most of it's time in Legal instead of Design. So much for Samsung wowing us.

huggyface 14y ago

It must aggrevate Google to know that they have very little control at all over the the majority of Android tablets out there. Why would that aggravate them? Amazon did exactly what Google explicitly stated could and would be done with the Android code. Lots of Samsung might try to get out from under Google's thumb rumors + this = hopefully we'll see something big from Samsung! My Galaxy S II already has a Samsung store. It can access Samsung media. So...rumors? Sounds like some dreamy wishes of the anti-Android faction desperately hoping for a world where Android falls apart. The Kindle Fire makes Android stronger. Alternative stores and alternative media services make Android stronger. How is that difficult to understand?

cmelbye 14y ago
Because they have no control over its user interface, they don't control the app market, and they don't have control over whether or not the tablet uses Google services or not. Like it or not, Google is a for-profit corporation. For them, Android only "works" if they can control it and profit off of it. If the majority of devices running Android are completely out of their control without a Google-branded experience, it's not a sustainable business endeavor for them.
- huggyface 14y ago
  If the majority of devices running Android are completely out of their control without a Google-branded experience Google makes a lot of cash off of iOS. They make a lot of cash off of Windows machines. Neither of which allow them to control the experience or dictate that they use Google services. Because it turns out that Google seems pretty confident about their services. That they want to compete on the merits of their services and features over locking you into specific features. They ship devices that allow me to flash a ROM that completely removes every hook to Google. They do this voluntarily. Adding armchair hypotheses about what Google needs to do, when it goes exactly contrary to everything they have done and continue to do seems rather remarkable.
  - talmand 14y ago
    Plus the fact that the majority of the Android experience has been out of the hands of Google from the beginning. The smartphone manufacturers and the carriers have more control over the install of Android on their devices than Google ever has. Google seems fine with that arrangement so far so I'm guessing it's working for them.
betterth 14y ago
The fanboy is strong with you. Google is CLEARLY trying to create a Apple-style universe. Hence the music store. Hence the app store. Hence forcing every google user in existence into at least seeing these services, and being automatically signed up for them (I never signed up for Google Play, surprisingly it already works for me). Google clearly is fighting the fragmentation of carriers, not happy about it! Where did you get this? Google has been trying to get their carriers to follow them, to follow guidelines, to decrease fragmentation, improve their update mechanisms. Heck, 4.0 was a subtle attempt to get a lot of the carriers to not built their shit on top (they of course, did), Google keeps threatening to shut off App Store access for versions of the software that don't meet their demands. This is not the behavior of a company who is shooting for and attempting to increase fragmentation of their platform. And, hilariously, you missed the biggest part: Google cares about advertising. They don't get to advertise on the Fire, in any form -- Amazon is the master of it. So no, you better bet that they're not thrilled about the two major points of their mobile platform being ignored (1: create a google universe that users live in 2: advertise to those users). Those are Google's clear and often-repeated goals. And the increasing fragmentation is ruining that, not helping it.

coob 14y ago

Samsung do devices, they have failed in every way possible to do services.

eitally 14y ago

"...hopefully we'll see something big from Samsung!" This was why the launch of the G SIII was delayed. Just a few more days to wait and you'll see.

betterth 14y ago
I waited, and I saw half-baked software addons to Android, some of which weren't even operating at show time. I saw an ugly beast of a phone that clearly spent most of it's time in Legal instead of Design. So much for Samsung wowing us.