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pay attention and do what exactly. Billions of people across the globe are just entering high energy consumption lifestyle across in next few decades.

phmqk76 3y ago
Pay attention and stop emitting carbon. This is an opportunity to push a paradigm shift of accessible and clean energy, able to be produced just about anywhere, instead of having to go to great lengths to extract it and combust it. I welcome the developing world’s increasing appetite for electricity, let’s get it done in a way that enhances human life, instead of forcing mass migrations and, more likely, death sentences to people who are unfortunate enough to live in countries that will one day be inhospitable to people.
- apwell23 3y ago
  > Pay attention and stop emitting carbon. you had the opportunity to not emit carbon by not writing this comment. Why are you asking everyone else to do something you cant do yourself.
- elzbardico 3y ago
  Face the facts, if renewables were accessible, able to be produced everywhere and cheap as Big Green, Big Finance and Big Government says, the market would have already chosen it. But the reality is that renewables suck, and will completely obliterate the economy of every country pushing it blindly as it is already doing with Germany and the UK. Meanwhile this will do nothing to reduce the use of renewables, because while the G-7 is committing economic suicide, it is only making oil cheaper for the rest of the world that is eager to develop themselves. You can have as much bad science and marketing speak saying otherwise, but the energy prices tell the truth: Solar and Wind are fucking expensive. And we are justing playing with it because 40 years ago, we had people like you along with the Big Oil doing as much as they could to arrest the development of Nuclear Energy.
mschuster91 3y ago
> pay attention and do what exactly. Pressure politicians to at least - improve local climate. Cities experience more extreme temperatures, especially in summer, than rural areas do because of many cities lacking tree shade, especially (as usual...) in poor neighborhoods [1]. How this can be done? Get rid of parking strips alongside streets, plant trees there, and build out public transport such as buses, trams or subways to replace individual transportation. - help the local flora that does exist to become resilient - replace dying treets and bushes that can't cope with climate change with more resilient species, ban "mandatory mowing / watering / species of grass" clauses in HOAs (and enforce severe fines against anyone caught violating or pressuring HOA members to violate) - improve local emissions. Fossil cars still emit lots of NOx that are (among other effects) lung irritants [2], and all cars and trucks produce brake and tire dust that are both lung irritants and contribute to the microplastic problem. Again, the solution is to build out public transport, to ban entire classes of cars and to take care to provide housing that is near to employers to reduce the amount of miles traveled in the first place. - improve (or create!) "safe havens" for the community at large to mitigate the impact of climate change especially for the poorest and the elderly, like public "heat/cold rooms" for either winter or summer. Not everyone can afford installing or running AC systems or is allowed to install one in their first place, or the landlord doesn't care. - improve cities' water handling aka "sponge cities" to mitigate the effects of severe rain and snowfall events - basically, create local paths where water can pass through to become groundwater instead of overflowing storm drains and wastewater treatment plants All of this is basic stuff that will greatly improve the lives of residents in general and help become society at least able to adapt to climate change and its associated events, and in many cases does not require approval from higher-up authorities. Hell, a lot of it can even be done by (literal) grass-roots activists banding together. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jun/29/trees-america-cities-study-disparities https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jun/29/trees-am... [2] https://theicct.org/stack/vehicle-nox-emissions-the-basics/ https://theicct.org/stack/vehicle-nox-emissions-the-basics/ [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sponge_city https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sponge_city
- apwell23 3y ago
  good luck fighting NIMBY to allow high density housing. NIMBY block all new development ironically by using environmental regulation. We all know building denser housing is better than expanding out. But people have all their saving tied to their house so no way they are going to vote for denser housing. There is no way to "pressure" nimbys or politicians because their voting block has to much to lose.

phmqk76 3y ago

Pay attention and stop emitting carbon. This is an opportunity to push a paradigm shift of accessible and clean energy, able to be produced just about anywhere, instead of having to go to great lengths to extract it and combust it. I welcome the developing world’s increasing appetite for electricity, let’s get it done in a way that enhances human life, instead of forcing mass migrations and, more likely, death sentences to people who are unfortunate enough to live in countries that will one day be inhospitable to people.

apwell23 3y ago
> Pay attention and stop emitting carbon. you had the opportunity to not emit carbon by not writing this comment. Why are you asking everyone else to do something you cant do yourself.
elzbardico 3y ago
Face the facts, if renewables were accessible, able to be produced everywhere and cheap as Big Green, Big Finance and Big Government says, the market would have already chosen it. But the reality is that renewables suck, and will completely obliterate the economy of every country pushing it blindly as it is already doing with Germany and the UK. Meanwhile this will do nothing to reduce the use of renewables, because while the G-7 is committing economic suicide, it is only making oil cheaper for the rest of the world that is eager to develop themselves. You can have as much bad science and marketing speak saying otherwise, but the energy prices tell the truth: Solar and Wind are fucking expensive. And we are justing playing with it because 40 years ago, we had people like you along with the Big Oil doing as much as they could to arrest the development of Nuclear Energy.

mschuster91 3y ago

> pay attention and do what exactly. Pressure politicians to at least - improve local climate. Cities experience more extreme temperatures, especially in summer, than rural areas do because of many cities lacking tree shade, especially (as usual...) in poor neighborhoods [1]. How this can be done? Get rid of parking strips alongside streets, plant trees there, and build out public transport such as buses, trams or subways to replace individual transportation. - help the local flora that does exist to become resilient - replace dying treets and bushes that can't cope with climate change with more resilient species, ban "mandatory mowing / watering / species of grass" clauses in HOAs (and enforce severe fines against anyone caught violating or pressuring HOA members to violate) - improve local emissions. Fossil cars still emit lots of NOx that are (among other effects) lung irritants [2], and all cars and trucks produce brake and tire dust that are both lung irritants and contribute to the microplastic problem. Again, the solution is to build out public transport, to ban entire classes of cars and to take care to provide housing that is near to employers to reduce the amount of miles traveled in the first place. - improve (or create!) "safe havens" for the community at large to mitigate the impact of climate change especially for the poorest and the elderly, like public "heat/cold rooms" for either winter or summer. Not everyone can afford installing or running AC systems or is allowed to install one in their first place, or the landlord doesn't care. - improve cities' water handling aka "sponge cities" to mitigate the effects of severe rain and snowfall events - basically, create local paths where water can pass through to become groundwater instead of overflowing storm drains and wastewater treatment plants All of this is basic stuff that will greatly improve the lives of residents in general and help become society at least able to adapt to climate change and its associated events, and in many cases does not require approval from higher-up authorities. Hell, a lot of it can even be done by (literal) grass-roots activists banding together. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jun/29/trees-america-cities-study-disparities https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jun/29/trees-am... [2] https://theicct.org/stack/vehicle-nox-emissions-the-basics/ https://theicct.org/stack/vehicle-nox-emissions-the-basics/ [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sponge_city https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sponge_city

apwell23 3y ago
good luck fighting NIMBY to allow high density housing. NIMBY block all new development ironically by using environmental regulation. We all know building denser housing is better than expanding out. But people have all their saving tied to their house so no way they are going to vote for denser housing. There is no way to "pressure" nimbys or politicians because their voting block has to much to lose.