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> Doesn't help when you get filtered out from attending college. Please provide evidence of high application rates for underprivileged white males and then abn

> Doesn't help when you get filtered out from attending college. Please provide evidence of high application rates for underprivileged white males and then abnormally low acceptance rates to support your claim of white men being turned away at the door. My experience was that college was more than happy to sign me up for financial aid, due to my family's lower income, and then student loans, to boot. They don't even care what you major in. Since you can't get out of the debt, it's just cashflow from their perspective.

Jensson 3y ago
> Please provide evidence of high application rates for underprivileged white males and then abnormally low acceptance rates to support your claim of white men being turned away at the door. Why? The fact that they are under represented is enough evidence, at least according to the left.
- cjohnson318 3y ago
  Because this is forum that values critical thinking and productive discussion. When you present things out of context, cherry pick data, or make otherwise unrealistic claims, people will push back on you to support your claims.
  - Jensson 3y ago
    It is you who make the unrealistic claim that the least represented group can't possibly be discriminated against. Provide strong evidence that they aren't discriminated against in education, then we can talk, until then it is fair to assume that DEI initiatives is pushing out poor white men in favor of other groups because that is what the statistics tells us. It also tells us why rich people love DEI based on race and gender, it is because it only pushes out poor white men and not rich white men, rich white men are still there.
amluto 3y ago
> high application rates Unfortunately, for a lot of groups, low application rates are part of the problem. Not enough people are encouraging members of these groups to apply and not enough members of these groups figure out on their own that applying to things are worthwhile. Everyone I met in college applied to college (of course!), but far too many had stories about how their high schools actively discouraged them from applying to fancy colleges.
- cjohnson318 3y ago
  Sure! But the GP was stating that unprivileged white males were applying, but being filtered out. There's a difference between being underrepresented due to a bias, and underrepresented because your cohort has opted out. Frankly, with the rising cost of a college education and the stagnation of income in a lot of fields, people should think long and hard about where they go to school and what they major in.
  - amluto 3y ago
    I interpreted “filtered out” to mean that they weren’t making it from childhood to college due to any of a number of factors, not necessarily that they applied and were rejected.
    - cjohnson318 3y ago
      I see that now. Sorry, they might have meant that.

Jensson 3y ago

> Please provide evidence of high application rates for underprivileged white males and then abnormally low acceptance rates to support your claim of white men being turned away at the door. Why? The fact that they are under represented is enough evidence, at least according to the left.

cjohnson318 3y ago
Because this is forum that values critical thinking and productive discussion. When you present things out of context, cherry pick data, or make otherwise unrealistic claims, people will push back on you to support your claims.
- Jensson 3y ago
  It is you who make the unrealistic claim that the least represented group can't possibly be discriminated against. Provide strong evidence that they aren't discriminated against in education, then we can talk, until then it is fair to assume that DEI initiatives is pushing out poor white men in favor of other groups because that is what the statistics tells us. It also tells us why rich people love DEI based on race and gender, it is because it only pushes out poor white men and not rich white men, rich white men are still there.

amluto 3y ago

> high application rates Unfortunately, for a lot of groups, low application rates are part of the problem. Not enough people are encouraging members of these groups to apply and not enough members of these groups figure out on their own that applying to things are worthwhile. Everyone I met in college applied to college (of course!), but far too many had stories about how their high schools actively discouraged them from applying to fancy colleges.

cjohnson318 3y ago
Sure! But the GP was stating that unprivileged white males were applying, but being filtered out. There's a difference between being underrepresented due to a bias, and underrepresented because your cohort has opted out. Frankly, with the rising cost of a college education and the stagnation of income in a lot of fields, people should think long and hard about where they go to school and what they major in.
- amluto 3y ago
  I interpreted “filtered out” to mean that they weren’t making it from childhood to college due to any of a number of factors, not necessarily that they applied and were rejected.
  - cjohnson318 3y ago
    I see that now. Sorry, they might have meant that.