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> Discrimination is not solved by discriminating harder. Except it absolutely has been. The civil rights movement was full of it. Look at the history that lead
by epakai 3y ago
> Discrimination is not solved by discriminating harder.
Except it absolutely has been. The civil rights movement was full of it. Look at the history that lead to forced busing. The efforts to correct schooling disparity had become such a quagmire that an even worse solution was enforced. How can we expect things to get better, when just ending discrimination led to the worst possible outcome that was attacked from both sides. They knew the problem, and all reverting to no discrimination did was let segregationists and concerned parties kick the can down the road for 17 years after Brown vs Board of Education.
Reverse discrimination certainly has its cons, but to call it just "discriminating harder" isn't realistic. Making systemic changes hurts and feels unfair, but it's far from the racism that motivated discrimination in our past.
> Blaming the peoples of today for sins committed by the peoples of yesterday only breed resentment.
Where does this idea come from? I can recognize the disparities of the present. I can make actions to undo those. This isn't some fault I need to feel guilt for, it's just a reasonable outcome of understanding the past that lead to the current present, and a desire to change that present. Just like it is not my fault that some people are blind to the past, and feel resentful. Lots of people have resent though, some of it comes from those sins in the past. Sitting on our thumbs continues to breed resent. I don't see a major problem with shifting resent around between traditionally favored and unfavored groups, particularly if net resent goes down.
I say this with understanding that efforts can go to far, but also that oscillating between 0 mph and 100 mph to achieve an average speed of 50 is a stupid way to travel at 50 mph. Current efforts deserve to be moderated, not destroyed.
- Dalewyn 3y ago>to call it just "discriminating harder" isn't realistic. Affirmative Action was struck down because it is racist.[1] [1]: https://apnews.com/article/supreme-court-affirmative-action-college-race-f83d6318017ec9b9029b12ee2256e744 https://apnews.com/article/supreme-court-affirmative-action-... >Making systemic changes hurts and feels unfair, but it's far from the racism that motivated discrimination in our past. It is unfair when the "answer" is just turning the discrimination gears in reverse. The way to end discrimination is to, unsurprisingly, end discrimination and treat everyone equally and fairly. You know what I feel if I'm barred from something because I dared to be born to Japanese blood? I feel anger and resentment towards the fools who judged me for the color of my skin rather than the quality of my character, for refusing to see me as just another American. Sincerely screw discrimination with a rusty spork and may it die in a fire. Absolutely noone deserves to be treated better or worse than another for reasons not concerning their character or capabilities. >Where does this idea come from? I can recognize the disparities of the present. I can make actions to undo those. This isn't some fault I need to feel guilt for, it's just a reasonable outcome of understanding the past that lead to the current present, and a desire to change that present Children are born with no crimes or sins to their name. Whatever their ancestors might have done, that is of absolutely no liable consequence to them. If someone seriously tells me to apologize and pay amends for Pearl Harbor or Nanking or whatever else before my time because I'm Japanese, I am going to sincerely tell them to fuck off and pound sand.