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Good for him. DEI statements are insane zealotry.

Dalewyn 3y ago
We need to call "diversity" for what it really is: Discrimination. You must consider an individual's race, gender, sexual preference, and other immutable factors in contexts that have absolutely no bearing upon the bigger matter at hand. That is racist and sexist, that is discrimination of the purest order. And before someone accuses me of "white supremacy" or "patriarchy" or other buzzword nonsense: I'm Japanese-American, I'm Asian; I'm a "minority". I'm male, but more importantly a man as in mankind. And no, do not dare call me a "POC". I'm an American man of Japanese heritage. Simple as that. There is absolutely no reason why being White or Asian means they need to get inferior treatment and vice versa; there is absolutely no reason why men must be treated inferior to women and vice versa. There is absolutely no reason why anyone must be treated inferior or superior to anyone else for reasons that do not concern their character or capabilities.
- sjwhevvvvvsj 3y ago
  The first time some people will see or touch a book is when they get to elementary school. Those people are set up to fail in life, and anybody growing up from birth in an environment with no books is disadvantaged. For generations it was literally illegal for one race of people to learn to read in the United States. This is unique in the world as well - an American innovation. That type of structural oppression actually requires structural fixes as the problems are multigenerational. You seem to be wholly rooted into a single generational mindset - eg “you”. We all exist within history, it’s not some bubble where what happened before your birth isn’t relevant. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-literacy_laws_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-literacy_laws_in_the_Unit...
  - Dalewyn 3y ago
    >The first time some people will see or touch a book is when they get to elementary school. Those people are set up to fail in life, and anybody growing up from birth in an environment with no books is disadvantaged. That is the concern of the parents, there is nothing preventing anyone from reading if they are so inclined today. >We all exist within history, it’s not some bubble where what happened before your birth isn’t relevant. Discrimination is not solved by discriminating harder. Blaming the peoples of today for sins committed by the peoples of yesterday only breed resentment. Judging the peoples of yesterday by the social, cultural, and judicial norms of today distorts and corrupts history, only breeding ignorance in the peoples of today.
    - sjwhevvvvvsj 3y ago
      It’s impossible to read a book you don’t have access to. That’s the entire point, there was a multigenerational intentional program of making sure one race couldn’t read. The effects of it persist. I think you aren’t engaging with this logically and are being emotional. Please try to think clearly and critically. You seem angry.
      - Dalewyn 3y ago
        >It’s impossible to read a book you don’t have access to. Who is prohibiting who from reading what today? Unless you're going to get pedantic about restricted access to classified or erotic materials, anyone can read anything they want whenever they want. >Please try to think clearly and critically. You seem angry. Yes, I am thinking clearly and critically which is why I'm telling you that "diversity" is merely a front to engage in flagrant discrimination. Yes, I am angry that I am being asked to be racist and sexist after being taught and raised to treat all men equally and fairly.
      - pertymcpert 3y ago
        Your tone is antagonizing. I think you should apologize to the person.
        sjwhevvvvvsj 3y ago
        How dare you sir. Good day indeed!
    - coliveira 3y ago
      > Blaming the peoples of today for sins committed by the peoples of yesterday only breed resentment. The goal is not to blame anyone, instead it is creating a plain level field. White people only need to compete amongst themselves, so I'm pretty sure that the best will survive.
      - Dalewyn 3y ago
        >White people only need to compete amongst themselves, What the fuck are you even talking about?
  - bufio 3y ago
    Compelled statements and a ton of performative bullshit aren't going to do anything about unjust laws in the 1800s, mind you.
- mattlondon 3y ago
  Where I work the DEI training (mandatory, of course) has gone full-on bonkers. I am genuinely struggling to accept it is real and not some sort of massive joke or it was all some crazy fever-dream The thrust of the training is that now treating people "equally" or "fairly" is now racist. If you treat people fairly or equally you are liable for HR punishments. The training then goes on to list various accusations for each major racial group (so and so are lazy, so and so are dirty, so and so are dishonest) and that you must now specifically go out of your way to think "oh yes, this person's race is considered to be sexually promiscuous! I must make sure I adjust my behaviour to address this." when you go into a planning meeting or performance review or something totally unrelated (and of course with that thought in your mind you cannot then unthink it). You cannot just treat everyone in the same professional manner, you must now think about and consider all of the racial stereotypes that apply to each person in everything that you do and adjust your behaviour to provide "equity" (not "equality"! That is now a dirty word!) I simply could not believe it. This training was training me about racial stereotypes. It is teaching me new ways to stereotype people based on their race. Genuinely many of the things it was telling me were new to me and left me wondering "is this what people really think about foo? I had no idea! I am so naive!" before I caught myself. Am I taking crazy pills? WTF is going on?!
  - jballer 3y ago
    You are not taking crazy pills. This comment perfectly tracks my thoughts upon confronting similar a couple years ago. The toughest part was that I didn’t know the words to name or describe it. I’ll +1 someone else’s recommendation of Tim Urban’s book “What’s Our Problem” - he dove into this rabbit hole and explained what he found, and it’s super approachable. For a deeper dive, Bill Ackman very publicly sharing his own reckoning with this realization[1] and credits Christopher Rufo’s book “America’s Cultural Revolution” for helping him make sense of it[2]. [1] https://x.com/BillAckman/status/1742441534627184760 https://x.com/BillAckman/status/1742441534627184760 [2] https://x.com/BillAckman/status/1742687058915938532 https://x.com/BillAckman/status/1742687058915938532
    - Lord-Jobo 3y ago
      Christopher Rufo is an actual, openly and loudly, full on grifter. He has literally admitted to inventing the critical race theory concept and conflict. As in, truly made it up out of thin air by combining vague trends with a loosely related legal term and seeding it to the Tuckers of the world. These are not the kinds of people anyone should be listening to about "things happening in the world".

We need to call "diversity" for what it really is: Discrimination. You must consider an individual's race, gender, sexual preference, and other immutable factors in contexts that have absolutely no bearing upon the bigger matter at hand. That is racist and sexist, that is discrimination of the purest order. And before someone accuses me of "white supremacy" or "patriarchy" or other buzzword nonsense: I'm Japanese-American, I'm Asian; I'm a "minority". I'm male, but more importantly a man as in mankind. And no, do not dare call me a "POC". I'm an American man of Japanese heritage. Simple as that. There is absolutely no reason why being White or Asian means they need to get inferior treatment and vice versa; there is absolutely no reason why men must be treated inferior to women and vice versa. There is absolutely no reason why anyone must be treated inferior or superior to anyone else for reasons that do not concern their character or capabilities.

sjwhevvvvvsj 3y ago
The first time some people will see or touch a book is when they get to elementary school. Those people are set up to fail in life, and anybody growing up from birth in an environment with no books is disadvantaged. For generations it was literally illegal for one race of people to learn to read in the United States. This is unique in the world as well - an American innovation. That type of structural oppression actually requires structural fixes as the problems are multigenerational. You seem to be wholly rooted into a single generational mindset - eg “you”. We all exist within history, it’s not some bubble where what happened before your birth isn’t relevant. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-literacy_laws_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-literacy_laws_in_the_Unit...
- Dalewyn 3y ago
  >The first time some people will see or touch a book is when they get to elementary school. Those people are set up to fail in life, and anybody growing up from birth in an environment with no books is disadvantaged. That is the concern of the parents, there is nothing preventing anyone from reading if they are so inclined today. >We all exist within history, it’s not some bubble where what happened before your birth isn’t relevant. Discrimination is not solved by discriminating harder. Blaming the peoples of today for sins committed by the peoples of yesterday only breed resentment. Judging the peoples of yesterday by the social, cultural, and judicial norms of today distorts and corrupts history, only breeding ignorance in the peoples of today.
  - sjwhevvvvvsj 3y ago
    It’s impossible to read a book you don’t have access to. That’s the entire point, there was a multigenerational intentional program of making sure one race couldn’t read. The effects of it persist. I think you aren’t engaging with this logically and are being emotional. Please try to think clearly and critically. You seem angry.
    - Dalewyn 3y ago
      >It’s impossible to read a book you don’t have access to. Who is prohibiting who from reading what today? Unless you're going to get pedantic about restricted access to classified or erotic materials, anyone can read anything they want whenever they want. >Please try to think clearly and critically. You seem angry. Yes, I am thinking clearly and critically which is why I'm telling you that "diversity" is merely a front to engage in flagrant discrimination. Yes, I am angry that I am being asked to be racist and sexist after being taught and raised to treat all men equally and fairly.
    - pertymcpert 3y ago
      Your tone is antagonizing. I think you should apologize to the person.
      - sjwhevvvvvsj 3y ago
        How dare you sir. Good day indeed!
  - coliveira 3y ago
    > Blaming the peoples of today for sins committed by the peoples of yesterday only breed resentment. The goal is not to blame anyone, instead it is creating a plain level field. White people only need to compete amongst themselves, so I'm pretty sure that the best will survive.
    - Dalewyn 3y ago
      >White people only need to compete amongst themselves, What the fuck are you even talking about?
- bufio 3y ago
  Compelled statements and a ton of performative bullshit aren't going to do anything about unjust laws in the 1800s, mind you.
mattlondon 3y ago
Where I work the DEI training (mandatory, of course) has gone full-on bonkers. I am genuinely struggling to accept it is real and not some sort of massive joke or it was all some crazy fever-dream The thrust of the training is that now treating people "equally" or "fairly" is now racist. If you treat people fairly or equally you are liable for HR punishments. The training then goes on to list various accusations for each major racial group (so and so are lazy, so and so are dirty, so and so are dishonest) and that you must now specifically go out of your way to think "oh yes, this person's race is considered to be sexually promiscuous! I must make sure I adjust my behaviour to address this." when you go into a planning meeting or performance review or something totally unrelated (and of course with that thought in your mind you cannot then unthink it). You cannot just treat everyone in the same professional manner, you must now think about and consider all of the racial stereotypes that apply to each person in everything that you do and adjust your behaviour to provide "equity" (not "equality"! That is now a dirty word!) I simply could not believe it. This training was training me about racial stereotypes. It is teaching me new ways to stereotype people based on their race. Genuinely many of the things it was telling me were new to me and left me wondering "is this what people really think about foo? I had no idea! I am so naive!" before I caught myself. Am I taking crazy pills? WTF is going on?!
- jballer 3y ago
  You are not taking crazy pills. This comment perfectly tracks my thoughts upon confronting similar a couple years ago. The toughest part was that I didn’t know the words to name or describe it. I’ll +1 someone else’s recommendation of Tim Urban’s book “What’s Our Problem” - he dove into this rabbit hole and explained what he found, and it’s super approachable. For a deeper dive, Bill Ackman very publicly sharing his own reckoning with this realization[1] and credits Christopher Rufo’s book “America’s Cultural Revolution” for helping him make sense of it[2]. [1] https://x.com/BillAckman/status/1742441534627184760 https://x.com/BillAckman/status/1742441534627184760 [2] https://x.com/BillAckman/status/1742687058915938532 https://x.com/BillAckman/status/1742687058915938532
  - Lord-Jobo 3y ago
    Christopher Rufo is an actual, openly and loudly, full on grifter. He has literally admitted to inventing the critical race theory concept and conflict. As in, truly made it up out of thin air by combining vague trends with a loosely related legal term and seeding it to the Tuckers of the world. These are not the kinds of people anyone should be listening to about "things happening in the world".