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Their VPS service looks fantastic also: http://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produktmatrix_vserver/vserver-produktmatrix http://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produktmat

by ashleyw 14y ago

Their VPS service looks fantastic also: http://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produktmatrix_vserver/vserver-produktmatrix http://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produktmatrix_vserver/vserv... Their 2GB plan is 3x cheaper than Linode…and you get over 4x the data transfer! Does anyone know how the performance compares?

Smerity 14y ago
I did a light benchmark of their 512MB VPS[1] which is insanely cheap. The only things that change when moving to the 2GB VPS is RAM, hard drive space and total data transfer. The CPU remains a single core and the same speed according to [2]. It's possible there's less contention but you'd need to find a benchmark for the 2GB VPS to know for sure. If you're after any specific benchmarks give me a yell and I'll see if I can provide one for you. [1]: http://smerity.com/articles/2012/hetzner.html http://smerity.com/articles/2012/hetzner.html [2]: http://wiki.hetzner.de/index.php/VServer/en#Which_clock_speed_do_the_VQ_server_CPUs_have.3F http://wiki.hetzner.de/index.php/VServer/en#Which_clock_spee... Edit: Came across a review of VQ19 (2GB VPS) vs EQ4 @ http://code.google.com/p/catz/wiki/DedicatedOrVPS http://code.google.com/p/catz/wiki/DedicatedOrVPS
- st3fan 14y ago
  "Sent passport scan to Hetzner" - Really?
  - meskyanichi 14y ago
    It actually says "Sent"?
  - dchest 14y ago
    I had to to the same for Linode (although I'm from an untrustworthy country :).
    - swatkat 14y ago
      http://xkcd.com/541/ http://xkcd.com/541/
ulope 14y ago
I and several of my clients use quite a few of those and I'm very happy with the performance. IO performance is very good (especially for a virtualized system) for example apt-get update / upgrade takes less time on one of those than it does on a dedicated root server of mine (Core i7 Quad, 8 GB Ram, 7.2 kRPM SATA). Any other specific questions?
meskyanichi 14y ago
You could also just get a dedicated server with a good chunk of ram. Say, 32gb or the new 64gb one. Then install XEN or KVM on it and run your own VPS farm instead. It'll save you $800-1600 USD/month in the long-run once you fill up the whole box with VPSs. Another thing to note is that the new 64gb instance trucks a hexacore (6) core CPU and includes hyper-threading. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe this means you can run 12 virtual cores in your XEN/KVM instances with this, instead of only 1 which is provided by the Hetzner VPS's. That's quite a difference. With my 32gb box (which is a quad core with hyper-threading) my XEN instances can spin up to 8 virtual cores, according to the (h)top utility.
- corford 14y ago
  What happens when the host box dies? If you build in redundancy, the costs start spiralling quite quickly...
  - nirvana 14y ago
    Wouldn't the risk of that be exactly the same as the risk of a host box dying at for any VPS product anywhere? Specifically I'm sure Hetzner is running their VPS product on the same boxes, since one of their methods is to have a very standardized, custom designed box (like google does).
    - corford 14y ago
      The good VPS providers have fail over hosts so that they can move your guest if the primary host is experiencing issues (e.g. RAID degradation). Linode have this for example (I know because one of my 512MB guests got moved recently). Edit: Leaseweb (who are on a VMWare stack) also offer something similar via Vmotion
  - meskyanichi 14y ago
    The chances of that happening are low anyway. I believe someone reported their server was running smooth for 3 years with only a single _minor_ downtime. Also, I doubt that an app that runs on a VPS is as important as one that requires a whole dedicated server. But yes, if a box happens to fail, how slim the chance may be, then your site is offline, just like Amazon EC2 that was offline for 3 days iirc even though they have multiple availability zones per region. Also, running 3 dedicated servers for redundancy still isn't expensive when you compare it to traditional VPS/EC2. However, you do have to do everything yourself of course. Tbh I feel that people always tend to worry too much about "downtime" or "failing boxes" while the reality is that most people don't ever experience huge downtimes. If the app is really _that_ important then you're likely making some good money to justify paying for more expensive solutions and there wouldn't be a reason not to do that.
deadwait 14y ago
i have their 10 euro plan for running tamahatta.com, dont have any traffic but the site has'nt gone down for the last 2 and a half mth. ( which is when i took it)
ra3don92 14y ago
Does any one know if their VPS servers are XEN or OpenVZ?
- PascalW 14y ago
  It's KVM.
ezequiel-garzon 14y ago
Alvotech (also German) offers roughly the same specs for about half the price, after a 10€ setup fee [1]. Although I haven't yet pushed these virtual servers to the limit in any sense, I can say I'm a happy customer. [1] http://www.alvotech.de/vserver/?lang=en http://www.alvotech.de/vserver/?lang=en
- kragen 14y ago
  That does look like a very nice service, but it seems to be much lower-end, not "roughly the same". The CPU is an in-order 1.8GHz Atom, which is not roughly the same as a superscalar out-of-order Athlon 64 or Core i7, and their RAM tops out at 4GiB, which is not roughly the same as 64GiB.

by ashleyw 14y ago

Smerity 14y ago

I did a light benchmark of their 512MB VPS[1] which is insanely cheap. The only things that change when moving to the 2GB VPS is RAM, hard drive space and total data transfer. The CPU remains a single core and the same speed according to [2]. It's possible there's less contention but you'd need to find a benchmark for the 2GB VPS to know for sure. If you're after any specific benchmarks give me a yell and I'll see if I can provide one for you. [1]: http://smerity.com/articles/2012/hetzner.html http://smerity.com/articles/2012/hetzner.html [2]: http://wiki.hetzner.de/index.php/VServer/en#Which_clock_speed_do_the_VQ_server_CPUs_have.3F http://wiki.hetzner.de/index.php/VServer/en#Which_clock_spee... Edit: Came across a review of VQ19 (2GB VPS) vs EQ4 @ http://code.google.com/p/catz/wiki/DedicatedOrVPS http://code.google.com/p/catz/wiki/DedicatedOrVPS

st3fan 14y ago
"Sent passport scan to Hetzner" - Really?
- meskyanichi 14y ago
  It actually says "Sent"?
- dchest 14y ago
  I had to to the same for Linode (although I'm from an untrustworthy country :).
  - swatkat 14y ago
    http://xkcd.com/541/ http://xkcd.com/541/

ulope 14y ago

I and several of my clients use quite a few of those and I'm very happy with the performance. IO performance is very good (especially for a virtualized system) for example apt-get update / upgrade takes less time on one of those than it does on a dedicated root server of mine (Core i7 Quad, 8 GB Ram, 7.2 kRPM SATA). Any other specific questions?

meskyanichi 14y ago

You could also just get a dedicated server with a good chunk of ram. Say, 32gb or the new 64gb one. Then install XEN or KVM on it and run your own VPS farm instead. It'll save you $800-1600 USD/month in the long-run once you fill up the whole box with VPSs. Another thing to note is that the new 64gb instance trucks a hexacore (6) core CPU and includes hyper-threading. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe this means you can run 12 virtual cores in your XEN/KVM instances with this, instead of only 1 which is provided by the Hetzner VPS's. That's quite a difference. With my 32gb box (which is a quad core with hyper-threading) my XEN instances can spin up to 8 virtual cores, according to the (h)top utility.

corford 14y ago
What happens when the host box dies? If you build in redundancy, the costs start spiralling quite quickly...
- nirvana 14y ago
  Wouldn't the risk of that be exactly the same as the risk of a host box dying at for any VPS product anywhere? Specifically I'm sure Hetzner is running their VPS product on the same boxes, since one of their methods is to have a very standardized, custom designed box (like google does).
  - corford 14y ago
    The good VPS providers have fail over hosts so that they can move your guest if the primary host is experiencing issues (e.g. RAID degradation). Linode have this for example (I know because one of my 512MB guests got moved recently). Edit: Leaseweb (who are on a VMWare stack) also offer something similar via Vmotion
- meskyanichi 14y ago
  The chances of that happening are low anyway. I believe someone reported their server was running smooth for 3 years with only a single _minor_ downtime. Also, I doubt that an app that runs on a VPS is as important as one that requires a whole dedicated server. But yes, if a box happens to fail, how slim the chance may be, then your site is offline, just like Amazon EC2 that was offline for 3 days iirc even though they have multiple availability zones per region. Also, running 3 dedicated servers for redundancy still isn't expensive when you compare it to traditional VPS/EC2. However, you do have to do everything yourself of course. Tbh I feel that people always tend to worry too much about "downtime" or "failing boxes" while the reality is that most people don't ever experience huge downtimes. If the app is really _that_ important then you're likely making some good money to justify paying for more expensive solutions and there wouldn't be a reason not to do that.

deadwait 14y ago

i have their 10 euro plan for running tamahatta.com, dont have any traffic but the site has'nt gone down for the last 2 and a half mth. ( which is when i took it)

ra3don92 14y ago

Does any one know if their VPS servers are XEN or OpenVZ?

PascalW 14y ago
It's KVM.

ezequiel-garzon 14y ago

Alvotech (also German) offers roughly the same specs for about half the price, after a 10€ setup fee [1]. Although I haven't yet pushed these virtual servers to the limit in any sense, I can say I'm a happy customer. [1] http://www.alvotech.de/vserver/?lang=en http://www.alvotech.de/vserver/?lang=en

kragen 14y ago
That does look like a very nice service, but it seems to be much lower-end, not "roughly the same". The CPU is an in-order 1.8GHz Atom, which is not roughly the same as a superscalar out-of-order Athlon 64 or Core i7, and their RAM tops out at 4GiB, which is not roughly the same as 64GiB.