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> I'm going by the construction drawing which is 100% unambiguous and not a bunch of words. It's not a construction drawing, it's a cartoon showing the door in

> I'm going by the construction drawing which is 100% unambiguous and not a bunch of words. It's not a construction drawing, it's a cartoon showing the door in the open position and you are assuming (incorrectly) the operation of the door. This will be my last comment on this topic because this argument is fruitless and you seem unable to see it any other way. That said: This is a high res photo of an installed door plug: https://nitter.privacydev.net/pic/orig/media%2FGDk50Aaa4AEsmXa.jpg https://nitter.privacydev.net/pic/orig/media%2FGDk50Aaa4AEsm... You can clearly see the "stop fittings" on the door are on the INSIDE and rest on the ones connected to the airframe, preventing outward movement. When the door opens, it slides up along those two black cylindrical things at the bottom, the stops move past the matching ones on the fuselage, and it hinges outward.

jacquesm 3y ago
> It's not a construction drawing, it's a cartoon showing the door in the open position and you are assuming (incorrectly) the operation of the door. Fair enough. > This will be my last comment on this topic because this argument is fruitless and you seem unable to see it any other way. That's a wrong assumption on your end, it's just that I prefer to go by actual evidence rather than a bunch of unsourced claims no matter who makes them. > This is a high res photo of an installed door plug: So, finally something useful: the stops apparently hook over the brackets bolted to the airframe, that wasn't obvious from the drawing but I suspected it might be the case (see other comment). So pressurizing the aircraft will provide some holding force (the friction on the stops) even if all of the bolts would be missing or had come loose at any point after assembly. Thank you for providing the picture.
- cratermoon 3y ago
  It's OK to say "I was wrong". No one will think less of you for acknowledging your error and correcting it.
  - jacquesm 3y ago
    Yes, I was wrong. And I've been wrong before and likely will be wrong again in the future.
mulmen 3y ago
Wow what a great photo, thank you for posting this, I have not seen it. I see two of the bolts near the top, where are the other two?

jacquesm 3y ago

> It's not a construction drawing, it's a cartoon showing the door in the open position and you are assuming (incorrectly) the operation of the door. Fair enough. > This will be my last comment on this topic because this argument is fruitless and you seem unable to see it any other way. That's a wrong assumption on your end, it's just that I prefer to go by actual evidence rather than a bunch of unsourced claims no matter who makes them. > This is a high res photo of an installed door plug: So, finally something useful: the stops apparently hook over the brackets bolted to the airframe, that wasn't obvious from the drawing but I suspected it might be the case (see other comment). So pressurizing the aircraft will provide some holding force (the friction on the stops) even if all of the bolts would be missing or had come loose at any point after assembly. Thank you for providing the picture.

cratermoon 3y ago
It's OK to say "I was wrong". No one will think less of you for acknowledging your error and correcting it.
- jacquesm 3y ago
  Yes, I was wrong. And I've been wrong before and likely will be wrong again in the future.

mulmen 3y ago

Wow what a great photo, thank you for posting this, I have not seen it. I see two of the bolts near the top, where are the other two?