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People literally can't agree on anything. Meanwhile, roughly 100% of companies are cutting back on remote work. It's not a cult or some conspiracy, it just has

People literally can't agree on anything. Meanwhile, roughly 100% of companies are cutting back on remote work. It's not a cult or some conspiracy, it just has real problems and companies are responding to that. Does it work for some people, yes. Will it work better in the future, probably. Does it cause massive problems for large parts of the workforce today: definitely.

cyberlurker 3y ago
100%? Is gitlab still remote? I know there are many others. In my view and experience it works great for many companies. No massive problems.
Amezarak 3y ago
I don’t think anyone is seriously suggesting it’s a cult or a conspiracy (though I’m sure there is some coordination), but that doesn’t mean it’s not mostly fad or trend driven vs data driven. IME I’ve worked in offices where at least 20% if not more did absolutely nothing. I mean literally nothing, not that they were doing things that just weren’t visible to me. It has a lot more to do with company culture and performance management than onsite/offsite. I’m not against the idea that the proportion of people who can succeed with remote work is lower, but most of the RTO push seems to be more to do with current management fads than anything else.
- dilyevsky 3y ago
  Even in this thread there are comments saying it’s some sort of scheme to prop up failing real estate and similar nonsense. So yes, it is in fact a moderately common belief.
  - oooyay 3y ago
    The idea that RTO is tied to real estate in a multitude of ways is not nonesense: https://fortune.com/2023/10/12/atlassian-rto-hybrid-work-real-estate-office/ https://fortune.com/2023/10/12/atlassian-rto-hybrid-work-rea... https://fortune.com/2023/11/12/return-to-office-hybrid-work-real-estate-downsizing/ https://fortune.com/2023/11/12/return-to-office-hybrid-work-... > The survey also found that 80% of companies have already downsized their office since the pandemic, and 82% are worried about being able to keep their current one, whether that’s due to a recession or an underutilization of space.
    - dilyevsky 3y ago
      So two articles written by one dude that literally contain a few words that speculate some nonsense. No hard data. Did you even read this yourself? Who is losing space because it's underutilized and why?
swagasaurus-rex 3y ago
This is an a bandwagon fallacy with no reason or justification given

cyberlurker 3y ago

100%? Is gitlab still remote? I know there are many others. In my view and experience it works great for many companies. No massive problems.

Amezarak 3y ago

I don’t think anyone is seriously suggesting it’s a cult or a conspiracy (though I’m sure there is some coordination), but that doesn’t mean it’s not mostly fad or trend driven vs data driven. IME I’ve worked in offices where at least 20% if not more did absolutely nothing. I mean literally nothing, not that they were doing things that just weren’t visible to me. It has a lot more to do with company culture and performance management than onsite/offsite. I’m not against the idea that the proportion of people who can succeed with remote work is lower, but most of the RTO push seems to be more to do with current management fads than anything else.

dilyevsky 3y ago
Even in this thread there are comments saying it’s some sort of scheme to prop up failing real estate and similar nonsense. So yes, it is in fact a moderately common belief.
- oooyay 3y ago
  The idea that RTO is tied to real estate in a multitude of ways is not nonesense: https://fortune.com/2023/10/12/atlassian-rto-hybrid-work-real-estate-office/ https://fortune.com/2023/10/12/atlassian-rto-hybrid-work-rea... https://fortune.com/2023/11/12/return-to-office-hybrid-work-real-estate-downsizing/ https://fortune.com/2023/11/12/return-to-office-hybrid-work-... > The survey also found that 80% of companies have already downsized their office since the pandemic, and 82% are worried about being able to keep their current one, whether that’s due to a recession or an underutilization of space.
  - dilyevsky 3y ago
    So two articles written by one dude that literally contain a few words that speculate some nonsense. No hard data. Did you even read this yourself? Who is losing space because it's underutilized and why?

swagasaurus-rex 3y ago

This is an a bandwagon fallacy with no reason or justification given