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The incel movement has a root of truth warped to comical degrees by online exposure. But the essence of an incel is a perception of rejection by society, speci

The incel movement has a root of truth warped to comical degrees by online exposure. But the essence of an incel is a perception of rejection by society, specifically from the sexual marketplace. There have been many many articles sourcing actual data that shows, especially with the friction reduction of dating apps, that selection pattern differences among women and men show that women reject a far far higher portion of the opposing gender than men do. The OKCupid data that was publicly released backs this up, and other articles analyzing online dating trends have also concluded this. Male and female pairings used to be more restricted geographically and by limited social graph sizes, both of which restrictions have been removed. Now, social evolution around apps is occurring at lightspeed compared to previous generations. So obviously the current trends may reflect a lack of awareness by women and men of the reality compared to the fantasy that the dating apps present. So Incels are likely the extreme tail of the male side of the coin. Of course, incels are rejected males, and then further get this compounded by their views being summarily rejected, and then further rejected as not just sexually undesirable, but socially undesirable (which are strongly correlated anyway). So, why should we care about some sad nerds in a basement, society has always kicked dirt on them? Yes they blow up once in a while, something that America has fundamental tolerance of without the Incel angle. No, why we should care is that Incels are a marker for general issues in overall pairing, dating, and reproduction and eventually the demographic health of a country.

foogazi 3y ago
> Male and female pairings used to be more restricted geographically and by limited social graph sizes, both of which restrictions have been removed. Wouldn’t this have created local incel populations? Have the geographic restrictions really been eliminated? Are people flying all over the country to find mates ?
- Atheros 3y ago
  Dating apps (the means to meet someone on the other side of the city) and transportation technology (the means to travel to the other side of the city) have drastically opened up prior restrictions. When everyone met through church or local social clubs and when church was within walking distance, Chad couldn't date five women at once. Now he can and does.
- AtlasBarfed 3y ago
  1) women were more limited, so they "settled" more 2) the "winner" males, which are DOMINATING dating apps, would be reduced in scope of "stealing" mates, which also leads back to women "settling" more 3) the dating apps and communication that comes with the internet have increased visibility to the inequality relative to the "civilized ideal" of monogamy A lot of incels are accused of assuming privilege that a man deserves dates, etc. And really, that does underpin a lot of the incel anger: "I followed the rules, worked hard, got job, behave, did as I was told" which is really what the bargain was with "surplus males" from the last couple hundred years: don't cause too many issues, fit in rather than rebel/usurp/raid, and your odds of mating go way up. Women of course think this is nonsense, they were limited by the "male dominated" system. Sociology has said for decades that being in a reasonably stable relationship is good for the male/female and civilization in general. That carnal desire to just chase the most physically attractive hunk of mean has some actual truth, but in civilization it also leads people to bad relationships and decisions more often.

foogazi 3y ago

> Male and female pairings used to be more restricted geographically and by limited social graph sizes, both of which restrictions have been removed. Wouldn’t this have created local incel populations? Have the geographic restrictions really been eliminated? Are people flying all over the country to find mates ?

Atheros 3y ago
Dating apps (the means to meet someone on the other side of the city) and transportation technology (the means to travel to the other side of the city) have drastically opened up prior restrictions. When everyone met through church or local social clubs and when church was within walking distance, Chad couldn't date five women at once. Now he can and does.
AtlasBarfed 3y ago
1) women were more limited, so they "settled" more 2) the "winner" males, which are DOMINATING dating apps, would be reduced in scope of "stealing" mates, which also leads back to women "settling" more 3) the dating apps and communication that comes with the internet have increased visibility to the inequality relative to the "civilized ideal" of monogamy A lot of incels are accused of assuming privilege that a man deserves dates, etc. And really, that does underpin a lot of the incel anger: "I followed the rules, worked hard, got job, behave, did as I was told" which is really what the bargain was with "surplus males" from the last couple hundred years: don't cause too many issues, fit in rather than rebel/usurp/raid, and your odds of mating go way up. Women of course think this is nonsense, they were limited by the "male dominated" system. Sociology has said for decades that being in a reasonably stable relationship is good for the male/female and civilization in general. That carnal desire to just chase the most physically attractive hunk of mean has some actual truth, but in civilization it also leads people to bad relationships and decisions more often.