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Not to pick on the parent poster personally, since I see this type of comment a lot, but the principal investigator's name, his co-author, and the parent instit

Not to pick on the parent poster personally, since I see this type of comment a lot, but the principal investigator's name, his co-author, and the parent institution name are right there in the article. An academic almost always maintains a list of publications with links to where they are published and often, though not always, they are freely viewable. JFGI. Of the two publications by the author that have "incel" in the title, it's probably this one: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00224499.2023.2248096 https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00224499.2023.2...

Jensson 3y ago
From that abstract: > Furthermore, incels underestimated women’s overall minimum mate preference standards Is it saying that things are actually worse than incels believe? Womens demands are actually higher than incels thinks and therefore things are even more hopeless for the incels than they currently think?
- TheLoafOfBread 3y ago
  That's what I am reading as well. So instead of incels being woman haters, they were right all along? It is certainly having "They hated him, because he told them truth" vibes.
  - jwagenet 3y ago
    Or maybe women have reasonable standards that men think they are entitled not to meet.
    - TheLoafOfBread 3y ago
      Sure, but incels talking point is that 80% of women are going after 20% of men, that's whopping 80% of men who are being left out. This could predict big problem for general stability of western society, where incels hating women on obscure internet forums is just mild start of what's about to come.
      - giantg2 3y ago
        "Sure, but incels talking point is that 80% of women are going after 20% of men, that's whopping 80% of men who are being left out. This could predict big problem for general stability of western society, where incels hating women on obscure internet forums is just mild start of what's about to come." Hasn't it always been similar to this? The most attractive people have the most prospects. If there wasn't competition, everyone would want the top men or women. There's going to be some amount of realistic expectations causing people to "settle". The actually excluded population is not 80% but probably single digits. I really don't think this will be a problem. Yes, you'll have some outliers doing bad things, but it's not going to become a widespread issue. Even in the article they mention that being an incel is not usually the primary reason for violence.
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      - locopati 3y ago
        Maybe if they worked on themselves, they would have more success instead of blaming others for their problems.
giantg2 3y ago
Thanks for the link! I tried looking by the journal, but maybe I didn't have the right info.

Jensson 3y ago

From that abstract: > Furthermore, incels underestimated women’s overall minimum mate preference standards Is it saying that things are actually worse than incels believe? Womens demands are actually higher than incels thinks and therefore things are even more hopeless for the incels than they currently think?

TheLoafOfBread 3y ago
That's what I am reading as well. So instead of incels being woman haters, they were right all along? It is certainly having "They hated him, because he told them truth" vibes.
- jwagenet 3y ago
  Or maybe women have reasonable standards that men think they are entitled not to meet.
  - TheLoafOfBread 3y ago
    Sure, but incels talking point is that 80% of women are going after 20% of men, that's whopping 80% of men who are being left out. This could predict big problem for general stability of western society, where incels hating women on obscure internet forums is just mild start of what's about to come.
    - giantg2 3y ago
      "Sure, but incels talking point is that 80% of women are going after 20% of men, that's whopping 80% of men who are being left out. This could predict big problem for general stability of western society, where incels hating women on obscure internet forums is just mild start of what's about to come." Hasn't it always been similar to this? The most attractive people have the most prospects. If there wasn't competition, everyone would want the top men or women. There's going to be some amount of realistic expectations causing people to "settle". The actually excluded population is not 80% but probably single digits. I really don't think this will be a problem. Yes, you'll have some outliers doing bad things, but it's not going to become a widespread issue. Even in the article they mention that being an incel is not usually the primary reason for violence.
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    - locopati 3y ago
      Maybe if they worked on themselves, they would have more success instead of blaming others for their problems.

giantg2 3y ago

Thanks for the link! I tried looking by the journal, but maybe I didn't have the right info.