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> However, getting yourself a dog and going morning runs does get you approached by eligible women, so I guess it depends on the social context. Women want men

> However, getting yourself a dog and going morning runs does get you approached by eligible women, so I guess it depends on the social context. Women want men who are reliable, having a dog and exercising regularly signals reliability. This has nothing to do with kindness. The biggest problem with incels is that they struggle with their life in general. Toxic guys with a well put together life doesn't have issues getting women, as you say just exercise regularly and keep a dog and have other such signals and women will come to you.

sergiomattei 3y ago
And it’s not even about women. This just applies to anyone looking for a romantic partner. Who doesn’t want all of those traits? They’re the whole package. People have standards, and it seems so-called incels aren’t comfortable with that.
- Jensson 3y ago
  Women who aren't reliable have no problems getting guys, so no it isn't the same for both sides. > Who doesn’t want all of those traits? Sure, but we are talking about preferences, men prioritizes other traits even though they of course would like to have the perfect woman.
  - sergiomattei 3y ago
    In my anecdotal experience, I chalk it down to inexperience. After a couple of unsuccessful committed relationships, people get their standards in place. It’s hard to imagine healthy adults want to date unreliable individuals romantically. I don’t think it’s a gendered issue.
    - Jensson 3y ago
      The reason doesn't matter, the end result is that unreliable women doesn't have issues getting guys as long as they are nice and not obese. Ditzy women is a popular trope for a reason.
- lazide 3y ago
  Incels are often that way because they don’t actually have standards/know how to mind their boundaries with women, know they’ll get fucked over because of it (and likely already were by one close to them - Mom) and are afraid to let anyone close enough to find that out. So sabotage themselves constantly and project that internalized anger into others.

sergiomattei 3y ago

And it’s not even about women. This just applies to anyone looking for a romantic partner. Who doesn’t want all of those traits? They’re the whole package. People have standards, and it seems so-called incels aren’t comfortable with that.

Jensson 3y ago
Women who aren't reliable have no problems getting guys, so no it isn't the same for both sides. > Who doesn’t want all of those traits? Sure, but we are talking about preferences, men prioritizes other traits even though they of course would like to have the perfect woman.
- sergiomattei 3y ago
  In my anecdotal experience, I chalk it down to inexperience. After a couple of unsuccessful committed relationships, people get their standards in place. It’s hard to imagine healthy adults want to date unreliable individuals romantically. I don’t think it’s a gendered issue.
  - Jensson 3y ago
    The reason doesn't matter, the end result is that unreliable women doesn't have issues getting guys as long as they are nice and not obese. Ditzy women is a popular trope for a reason.
lazide 3y ago
Incels are often that way because they don’t actually have standards/know how to mind their boundaries with women, know they’ll get fucked over because of it (and likely already were by one close to them - Mom) and are afraid to let anyone close enough to find that out. So sabotage themselves constantly and project that internalized anger into others.