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I'm not sure I would refer to this as "thinking errors." My model is that incels are members of an extremist ideology. They have their own core dissatisfaction,
by fwipsy 3y ago
I'm not sure I would refer to this as "thinking errors." My model is that incels are members of an extremist ideology. They have their own core dissatisfaction, but the ideas are shared and reinforced in the community. Like other extremist ideologies, the best approach is to deprogram and reintegrate them if possible, by helping them to address that core dissatisfaction.
- sixo 3y agoIt is also true that they have errant beliefs. You're talking about the reason they have these beliefs, which is relevant too, but at some level they have to change their minds.
- nabla9 3y ago>My model is that incels are members of an extremist ideology Contrast your model to what the article says about this. > the study showed incels were ____, more ______ and more politically ________ than previously reported.
- Detrytus 3y ago"Extremist" does not imply "far-right", there are "far-left" extremists as well.
- bitwize 3y ago[flagged]
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- richbell 3y agoDrew DeVault isn't exactly known for his thoughtful and well-reasoned takes.
- at_a_remove 3y agoAh, I see we are in "charitable interpretation mode." Let's do it again: One side wants sane immigration reform. The other side wants an end to white people.
- dumpsterlid 3y ago[dead]
- subjectsigma 3y agoIncels are not part of an “extremist ideology”. You make it sound as if they’re organized criminals or terrorists, which is ridiculous. I have yet to see any evidence that there is any set of unified beliefs among incels whatsoever. Certainly nothing resembling an impactful call to organize or act. For the most part they’re young boys with mental illnesses, social problems, and too much time on the Internet unsupervised. The reason that incels are presented as a movement is primarily to drive clickbait. Secondarily, to cover up the fact that nobody gives a fuck about the mental health of men, especially not in America. We would rather imagine grand conspiracies that admit to ourselves that there’s a growing mental health crisis.
- flerchin 3y agoIncelism is one of the causes of terrorism. We do see mass shootings in the US attributed to it. Granted, not all incels.
- bitwize 3y agoElliot Rodger had serious psychological issues besides incelism (and was a handsome kid, might not have been an incel but for those psychological issues). His manifesto had numerous passages about how frustrated he was that everyone (not just girls) didn't bow down and worship him like the god he thought he was. Certainly narcissistic to a profound degree, and possibly a sociopath. No wonder girls didn't like him.
- subjectsigma 3y agoI just don’t see a strong association. It’s like saying environmentalism is a cause of terrorism because of the Unabomber. Technically correct, but it seems weird to group it in the same category as things like white supremacy, jihadism, etc.
- Mordisquitos 3y agoThe researcher does address that. Here's a quote from the article: > He said: "If you look at incels who have committed extreme acts of violence, a lot of the time when you scratch beneath the surface, they tend to either be pretending that they're incel, or it's not the number one factor motivating their actions."