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Is "misconceptions" not the word we're looking for? "Thinking errors" is positively Orwellian.

• lazide 3y ago
  Just wait until you read the comments calling for reprogramming them, heh.
  • lazide 3y ago
    To reply to myself - the really hilarious bit about all this, is the incels seem to be folks stuck half way between ‘blue pill’ (an actually good guy) and redpill (‘bad boys’). And in some ways, just like in the original matrix, the blue pill does result in an easier steak dinner if you play your cards right (also not easy to actually do), and the red pill will get you relentlessly hunted and destroyed unless you’re pretty good at a game no one ‘in the system’ prepared you for or could even safely acknowledge ever existed. So for incels, near as I can tell the issue isn’t so much one position or another that they are taking. But that the ‘pill’ is stuck and so they can’t actually be either one in reality. Which makes a lot of sense if part of them knows they’ll be immediately massacred if they ‘took the pill’ because they don’t have the strength, knowledge, or support to handle it, but also have seen enough behind the societal ‘curtain’ and have suffered enough problems from normal society and interactions that they can’t just go and eat their steak like cypher either. Maladaptive Conditioning and PTSD is a bitch. And so that causes cognitive dissonance, pain, and all the other issues - including causing them to lash out at the thing triggering all these difficult feelings of inferiority, fear, confusion, etc. aka women
• PaulAJ 3y ago
  I think I see what they mean. "Misconception" means something where you can point out "no, that's incorrect". But these people have more than just an error in their knowledge, they are fundamentally misconstruing the world and how it works.
  • giantg2 3y ago
    I would love to see the part of the study that says this and how they controlled for various factors. Are rhe baselines just other studies built on surveys? Self perception is terribly inaccurate much of the time, and we all know people put more emphasis on the things they don't have than the ones they already do.
• hx8 3y ago
  Yes. It's an academic and a journalist using sensational language to attract attention. The whole article is largely salacious while being just high-brow enough for BBC News.
• jwagenet 3y ago
  My gut says “fundamental thinking errors” is a Britishism without the connotations you’re inferring. I often find odd or blunt turn of phrase not out of place in the context of British media.
  • throwaway89201 3y ago
    Yes. Hence Orwellian, and not just totalitarian [1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_and_the_English_Language https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_and_the_English_Langu...
• foogazi 3y ago
  Wonder if it’s “Thinking errors” in the CBT sense ? also called cognitive distortions: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_distortion https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_distortion Basically we want our perception of the world to match reality as much as possible. If it gets distorted our actions are now not grounded on reality