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I think it’s interesting how subjective this can apparently be. What I saw in the video was someone standing up for themselves and fighting against perceived wr

I think it’s interesting how subjective this can apparently be. What I saw in the video was someone standing up for themselves and fighting against perceived wrongdoing in an articulate way. That’s exactly the type of person I want on my team. I’d hire them in a heartbeat. Recording and posting company videos is bad in the general sense, but not in this case. There’s nothing sensitive or confidential in the video that was posted. The fact that she posted this specific video doesn’t make me assume that she would go and post other videos that do have confidential information, and if a company is embarrassed by their actions in this situation, that says more about the company than it does this employee. I doubt this is career suicide. It might even do the opposite by getting this person’s name and situation out there.

Loucra 3y ago
Noup. Only a moron would hire this person. 1) in the video is clear she was not a closer, so bad saleswoman. 2) posting the video with your face and name exposed?!?! Unless all this is fake, she is done.
FireBeyond 3y ago
> What I saw in the video was someone standing up for themselves and fighting against perceived wrongdoing in an articulate way. That’s exactly the type of person I want on my team. I’d hire them in a heartbeat. Initially. But then they respond by saying that they are willing to follow up with her separately with the answers to her questions, but they don't have them there and then. Not having them there and then is a failing on their part, absolutely. But she won't let go. "How was my performance bad?" repeatedly. At some point in the video it goes from someone having a legitimate grievance to someone just trying to make a point and not listening to feedback or responses.
- bitcharmer 3y ago
  You're very naive if you think there would be a follow up
  - FireBeyond 3y ago
    I'm not naive. I've been on the receiving end of it. But once she's got that answer, it's clearly evident that's the answer you're getting. Refusing to move on from that isn't productive in a business setting, is more my thought. (I literally had a PIP where my manager 100% ghosted me through the entire PIP, and I created all the work products requested in the PIP, and had documentary evidence that he did not once look at a single one of them. And then when he sat there in the last meeting with HR, and openly, repeatedly lied that he'd reviewed it all and that it was of an unsatisfactory level and that I could have been retained if it had been to a higher level, and I shared my screen filled with "Shared with X. Last Viewed: Never" on GDocs... he turned off his camera and just said the decision was made. Which it was. I didn't expect it to be changed, nor did I particularly want it to be changed. But I did want his "openly lied to both employees and to HR over personnel issues" on the record. And it was. There was no point to keep repeating it twenty times over. It vented her frustration on a personal level but I'm not sure it shows good business judgment on her part (realize that's not mutually exclusive to CF not showing good business judgment either).
    - Teever 3y ago
      > Refusing to move on from that isn't productive in a business setting, Maybe that would change if more people refused to move on?
      - FireBeyond 3y ago
        Oh yes. "Who can out-stubborn the other party versus finding common ground" seems quite helpful...
        Teever 3y ago
        Well it seems like she fucked over cloudflare more than they fucked her over, so in that sense it looks like she won this engagement.
        3y ago
omnimus 3y ago
You might want to hire this person but the question is if your boss would want them. There is a high chace they wouldn’t want to hire specifically this disobedient person.
- k8svet 3y ago
  Disobedient? She's being fired. Honestly, I think the whole thing is mostly a nothing burger. Gen not-my-gen finding out about capitalism and at-will employment at the worst time, I guess. Watching tech over the last year makes it clear how out of touch lots of people are. Employers, employees, exploiters, exploitees. Especially the highly-comped ones. All of the sudden surprised the gravy train has run out. But "disobedient", is quite a word choice.
- sangnoir 3y ago
  > There is a high chace they wouldn’t want to hire specifically this disobedient person. I had a niggling suspicion the opposing views on her employability are because the commenters are on opposite ends of the authoritarian axis. My thesis is people who strongly believe in (power) hierarchies as the natural order of things will see her actions as unacceptable, and an affront to social order itself since she has proven she can't be trusted to submit to the rightful authority regardless of circumstances.
  - JambalayaJim 3y ago
    She specifically set herself up to be recorded and then shared it across the internet. That is the problem part, not her questioning of the HR people (which was a show for the camera!) That kind of “I’m the main character” type energy would be a lot to deal with, especially for a 4 month employee.
    - sangnoir 3y ago
      Yes, she didn't follow the rules. Whether one views that as inherently problematic broadly follows the value-system I outlined earlier. I think her breaking (the letter of) the rules is amply justified in this case - others clearly disagree. AFAICT, she didn't violate the spirit if the rules - no confidential. information was revealed.

Loucra 3y ago

Noup. Only a moron would hire this person. 1) in the video is clear she was not a closer, so bad saleswoman. 2) posting the video with your face and name exposed?!?! Unless all this is fake, she is done.

FireBeyond 3y ago

> What I saw in the video was someone standing up for themselves and fighting against perceived wrongdoing in an articulate way. That’s exactly the type of person I want on my team. I’d hire them in a heartbeat. Initially. But then they respond by saying that they are willing to follow up with her separately with the answers to her questions, but they don't have them there and then. Not having them there and then is a failing on their part, absolutely. But she won't let go. "How was my performance bad?" repeatedly. At some point in the video it goes from someone having a legitimate grievance to someone just trying to make a point and not listening to feedback or responses.

bitcharmer 3y ago
You're very naive if you think there would be a follow up
- FireBeyond 3y ago
  I'm not naive. I've been on the receiving end of it. But once she's got that answer, it's clearly evident that's the answer you're getting. Refusing to move on from that isn't productive in a business setting, is more my thought. (I literally had a PIP where my manager 100% ghosted me through the entire PIP, and I created all the work products requested in the PIP, and had documentary evidence that he did not once look at a single one of them. And then when he sat there in the last meeting with HR, and openly, repeatedly lied that he'd reviewed it all and that it was of an unsatisfactory level and that I could have been retained if it had been to a higher level, and I shared my screen filled with "Shared with X. Last Viewed: Never" on GDocs... he turned off his camera and just said the decision was made. Which it was. I didn't expect it to be changed, nor did I particularly want it to be changed. But I did want his "openly lied to both employees and to HR over personnel issues" on the record. And it was. There was no point to keep repeating it twenty times over. It vented her frustration on a personal level but I'm not sure it shows good business judgment on her part (realize that's not mutually exclusive to CF not showing good business judgment either).
  - Teever 3y ago
    > Refusing to move on from that isn't productive in a business setting, Maybe that would change if more people refused to move on?
    - FireBeyond 3y ago
      Oh yes. "Who can out-stubborn the other party versus finding common ground" seems quite helpful...
      - Teever 3y ago
        Well it seems like she fucked over cloudflare more than they fucked her over, so in that sense it looks like she won this engagement.
        3y ago

omnimus 3y ago

You might want to hire this person but the question is if your boss would want them. There is a high chace they wouldn’t want to hire specifically this disobedient person.

k8svet 3y ago
Disobedient? She's being fired. Honestly, I think the whole thing is mostly a nothing burger. Gen not-my-gen finding out about capitalism and at-will employment at the worst time, I guess. Watching tech over the last year makes it clear how out of touch lots of people are. Employers, employees, exploiters, exploitees. Especially the highly-comped ones. All of the sudden surprised the gravy train has run out. But "disobedient", is quite a word choice.
sangnoir 3y ago
> There is a high chace they wouldn’t want to hire specifically this disobedient person. I had a niggling suspicion the opposing views on her employability are because the commenters are on opposite ends of the authoritarian axis. My thesis is people who strongly believe in (power) hierarchies as the natural order of things will see her actions as unacceptable, and an affront to social order itself since she has proven she can't be trusted to submit to the rightful authority regardless of circumstances.
- JambalayaJim 3y ago
  She specifically set herself up to be recorded and then shared it across the internet. That is the problem part, not her questioning of the HR people (which was a show for the camera!) That kind of “I’m the main character” type energy would be a lot to deal with, especially for a 4 month employee.
  - sangnoir 3y ago
    Yes, she didn't follow the rules. Whether one views that as inherently problematic broadly follows the value-system I outlined earlier. I think her breaking (the letter of) the rules is amply justified in this case - others clearly disagree. AFAICT, she didn't violate the spirit if the rules - no confidential. information was revealed.