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So you argue it's not a cause but an effect. Fine, whatever. It's still a major problem, isn't it. But: the MDD merger was 25 years ago. Boeing wasn't consider

by nvm0n2 3y ago

So you argue it's not a cause but an effect. Fine, whatever. It's still a major problem, isn't it. But: the MDD merger was 25 years ago. Boeing wasn't considered to be in dire quality straits until the MCAS disaster, which is recent. Maybe the people with "shreds of industry knowledge" are missing what's actually going wrong there, perhaps for ideological reasons? It wouldn't be the first time people have suddenly developed selective blindness over catastrophic decision making by "diverse" people. See the Harvard debacle for one in just the last few weeks. I think we can safely say that promoting people because they hired lots of black women, over the head of someone who focused on safety, will yield poor safety outcomes regardless of whether the stupid decision making is ultimately traceable to a merger 25 years ago or not.

hef19898 3y ago
Culture changes take ages, and aerospace a very, very slow moving industry. Diversity, and whatever right eing talking point non-sence people spit out, has nothing to do with any of the issues at Boeing. Or at any other company. Sad that people actually believe that nonsense. Especially coming from a decidedly non"woke" manly man guy like Musk, who is also on record deprioritizing safety, and who's cars and facotories are as bad as it get nowadays outside of sweat shops.
cjbgkagh 3y ago
The MCAS is what brought Boeing issues into the zeitgeist, but I was aware of issues at Boeing ~ 18 years ago from friends who had worked there and Al Jazeera did a great investigation ~ 9 years ago (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvkEpstd9os https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvkEpstd9os). Boeing used to be the gold standard and as someone who researches such gold standards it was disheartening to see them give that up. But that happened very slowly and started a long time ago. Clearly diluting focus away from safety is an issue for whatever the reason especially when the safety of airplanes is declining. This should also be taken in context that many aspects of manufacturing have improved greatly over the past 20 years so even if everything else stayed the same the general safety should have been greatly improved. So the drag on safety by the culture is bad enough to overcome these 'free' gains and end up with even less safe planes should highlight just how bad that effect is.

by nvm0n2 3y ago

hef19898 3y ago

Culture changes take ages, and aerospace a very, very slow moving industry. Diversity, and whatever right eing talking point non-sence people spit out, has nothing to do with any of the issues at Boeing. Or at any other company. Sad that people actually believe that nonsense. Especially coming from a decidedly non"woke" manly man guy like Musk, who is also on record deprioritizing safety, and who's cars and facotories are as bad as it get nowadays outside of sweat shops.

cjbgkagh 3y ago

The MCAS is what brought Boeing issues into the zeitgeist, but I was aware of issues at Boeing ~ 18 years ago from friends who had worked there and Al Jazeera did a great investigation ~ 9 years ago (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvkEpstd9os https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvkEpstd9os). Boeing used to be the gold standard and as someone who researches such gold standards it was disheartening to see them give that up. But that happened very slowly and started a long time ago. Clearly diluting focus away from safety is an issue for whatever the reason especially when the safety of airplanes is declining. This should also be taken in context that many aspects of manufacturing have improved greatly over the past 20 years so even if everything else stayed the same the general safety should have been greatly improved. So the drag on safety by the culture is bad enough to overcome these 'free' gains and end up with even less safe planes should highlight just how bad that effect is.