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> Just for your info, Israel killed more civilians since October than Russia did in Ukraine since 2014 Just for your info, that's complete BS. The people makin
by dralley 3y ago
> Just for your info, Israel killed more civilians since October than Russia did in Ukraine since 2014
Just for your info, that's complete BS. The people making this claim are comparing the deaths in Ukraine which the UN has independently confirmed (and discriminated from military casualties) against claims which have not been independently confirmed nor discriminated from military casualties.
Russia does not allow investigators behind their lines, so the official figures are a significant undercount - a fact which the UN themselves have specifically called out themselves as being the case. It is entirely possible and even likely that more Ukrainian civilians died in Mariupol alone than in all of Gaza.
At a minimum, as of more than a year ago, there were 10,300 new graves dug around Mariupol, as seen from satellite pictures. Pictures of those graves suggest that many of them contain more than one body, which was also the case in Lyman when the mass graves there were excavated. But none of the new graves in Mariupol are in the UN statistics because they cannot be considered "verified" without access.
And the stories of what has been going on in Mariupol from the handful of people that managed to escape and get back to Ukraine are every bit as bad as Gaza if not worse. And that's one city.
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-erasing-mariupol-methodology-f74b28016b8dea4b82811655f14931f2 https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-erasing-mariup...
- mardifoufs 3y agoTo be clear I'm not trying to minimize Ukrainian deaths. My point was more so that it was at least comparable, and in the same order of magnitude. Yet the international reaction to one is completely different to the other ( I mean, in terms of concrete action against Israel and Russia). That's the double standard and the unlimited "slack" given to Israel that I was talking about. The IDF can come up with any excuse for bombing any number of civilians, with absolutely 0 proof given and again, they are just automatically believed. I mean, they are cautious about civilian deaths... they told us so!
- dralley 3y agoThat isn't at all clear from your comment, your claims are pretty direct and concrete.
- mardifoufs 3y agoYeah, I want to edit my original comment and correct the false stats I gave but I don't want to remove the context for the comments correcting me. In any case, I was wrong about that part!