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On the other hand, the hyper focus on Boeing might result in some actual change instead of more of the same as before. Perhaps a little of the stick to contrast

On the other hand, the hyper focus on Boeing might result in some actual change instead of more of the same as before. Perhaps a little of the stick to contrast with the carrot?

williamcotton 3y ago
I wholeheartedly agree. They need to get an aerospace engineer back at CEO and not some MBA optimizing for quarterly reports. People are absolutely dying because of an incoherent understanding of the value chain. The decision to outsource may please Wall Street for three months but it certainly hurts the brand in the long term. Boeing is in the business of R&D and production. That’s their value add. Fuck the investors, they’re literally killing people!
- gvedem 3y ago
  > Fuck the investors, they're literally killing people epitaph of the new century. from water that makes your teeth black to illegal drug trials in poor countries. corporations are amoral by design and we have to assume they will do literally anything to make a buck.
  - gruez 3y ago
    >from water that makes your teeth black ???
    - chmod775 3y ago
      Tried to google it and found something about tap water with high iron content.
    - NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
      Fluoride is known to discolour teeth; also, inactive dental caries will turn dark, and most dentists will jump at the opportunity to drill that shit out.
  - agumonkey 3y ago
    It's a toxic relationship. "I fund you so I decide whether you matter or not"
- rpeden 3y ago
  The previous CEO was an aerospace engineer. As was the CEO who moved the company's headquarters from Seattle to Chicago. So I'm not sure an engineering background is any guarantee they'll do better. But perhaps the company's recent problems will give an engineering-minded CEO a little more leverage to steer the company back toward engineering excellence, even in the face of pressure from the board and shareholders.
- dontupvoteme 3y ago
  Perhaps the government should create a fund which guarantees a hefty reward for whistleblowers on aviation companies/airlines, enough that they don't need to fear for their own livelihood and can effectively retire without loss of income if they expose something significant. Apparently AF261 had a whistleblower who had to sue in court for damages. That's not correct, that's not how this should be done.
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shagie 3y ago
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/faa-increase-oversight-boeing-production-manufacturing-alaska-airlines-rcna133640 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/faa-increase-oversight-... > Jan. 12, 2024, 8:07 AM CST / Updated Jan. 12, 2024, 8:54 PM CST > The Federal Aviation Administration will increase its oversight of Boeing production and manufacturing, the agency said Friday, one day after announcing it had opened an investigation. > The FAA says it will audit Boeing's 737 Max 9 production line and its suppliers "to evaluate Boeing’s compliance with its approved quality procedures." > The results of the initial audit will determine whether additional audits are needed, the agency said. > "It is time to re-examine the delegation of authority and assess any associated safety risks," FAA Administrator Mike Whitaker said in a statement. > ... The linked statement: https://www.faa.gov/newsroom/faa-increasing-oversight-boeing-production-and-manufacturing https://www.faa.gov/newsroom/faa-increasing-oversight-boeing...
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rainsford 3y ago
Maybe, but if the perception is that they're going to get the stick no matter what they do, I'm not sure that creates much pressure or incentive to do the actually do the right thing. Either way, I don't think it's a net positive for us to choose to be less correctly informed about an issue or encourage the same in others, even if it's in pursuit of an otherwise worthwhile goal.
stjohnswarts 3y ago
yeah anything to get them to start being an engineering company again instead of a "let's squeeze all we can out of this profit center and not listen to our engineers"

On the other hand, the hyper focus on Boeing might result in some actual change instead of more of the same as before. Perhaps a little of the stick to contrast with the carrot?

williamcotton 3y ago

I wholeheartedly agree. They need to get an aerospace engineer back at CEO and not some MBA optimizing for quarterly reports. People are absolutely dying because of an incoherent understanding of the value chain. The decision to outsource may please Wall Street for three months but it certainly hurts the brand in the long term. Boeing is in the business of R&D and production. That’s their value add. Fuck the investors, they’re literally killing people!

gvedem 3y ago
> Fuck the investors, they're literally killing people epitaph of the new century. from water that makes your teeth black to illegal drug trials in poor countries. corporations are amoral by design and we have to assume they will do literally anything to make a buck.
- gruez 3y ago
  >from water that makes your teeth black ???
  - chmod775 3y ago
    Tried to google it and found something about tap water with high iron content.
  - NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
    Fluoride is known to discolour teeth; also, inactive dental caries will turn dark, and most dentists will jump at the opportunity to drill that shit out.
- agumonkey 3y ago
  It's a toxic relationship. "I fund you so I decide whether you matter or not"
rpeden 3y ago
The previous CEO was an aerospace engineer. As was the CEO who moved the company's headquarters from Seattle to Chicago. So I'm not sure an engineering background is any guarantee they'll do better. But perhaps the company's recent problems will give an engineering-minded CEO a little more leverage to steer the company back toward engineering excellence, even in the face of pressure from the board and shareholders.
dontupvoteme 3y ago
Perhaps the government should create a fund which guarantees a hefty reward for whistleblowers on aviation companies/airlines, enough that they don't need to fear for their own livelihood and can effectively retire without loss of income if they expose something significant. Apparently AF261 had a whistleblower who had to sue in court for damages. That's not correct, that's not how this should be done.

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shagie 3y ago

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/faa-increase-oversight-boeing-production-manufacturing-alaska-airlines-rcna133640 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/faa-increase-oversight-... > Jan. 12, 2024, 8:07 AM CST / Updated Jan. 12, 2024, 8:54 PM CST > The Federal Aviation Administration will increase its oversight of Boeing production and manufacturing, the agency said Friday, one day after announcing it had opened an investigation. > The FAA says it will audit Boeing's 737 Max 9 production line and its suppliers "to evaluate Boeing’s compliance with its approved quality procedures." > The results of the initial audit will determine whether additional audits are needed, the agency said. > "It is time to re-examine the delegation of authority and assess any associated safety risks," FAA Administrator Mike Whitaker said in a statement. > ... The linked statement: https://www.faa.gov/newsroom/faa-increasing-oversight-boeing-production-and-manufacturing https://www.faa.gov/newsroom/faa-increasing-oversight-boeing...

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rainsford 3y ago

Maybe, but if the perception is that they're going to get the stick no matter what they do, I'm not sure that creates much pressure or incentive to do the actually do the right thing. Either way, I don't think it's a net positive for us to choose to be less correctly informed about an issue or encourage the same in others, even if it's in pursuit of an otherwise worthwhile goal.

stjohnswarts 3y ago

yeah anything to get them to start being an engineering company again instead of a "let's squeeze all we can out of this profit center and not listen to our engineers"