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I ended up (reluctantly) installing WhatsApp last year because a bunch of regulars in my meetup group wanted to use it to chat and organize their own gatherings

I ended up (reluctantly) installing WhatsApp last year because a bunch of regulars in my meetup group wanted to use it to chat and organize their own gatherings outside the meetup. Putting aside the fact that it's owned by Meta and can't be trusted to the same degree as other E2E messaging apps, WhatsApp is actually pretty decent. It does one thing extremely well. Unlike Meta's other apps, I don't mind having WhatsApp installed.

JumpinJack_Cash 3y ago
> > Meta The real world runs on Meta, that's where real people are, all other social media are more about abstraction and keep updated on societal issue and gossip as opposed to actionable stuff like Facebook marketplace and Facebook jobs.
pjmlp 3y ago
I love how people hate Meta, and then end up praising React, React Native, Folley, ReasonML, Python GIL removal,.... How they think the salaries of those engineers are coming from?
- tayo42 3y ago
  I thought it was pretty concerning how dependent we are on Facebooks open source tech. But I'm unsure what could be done about it.
  - pjmlp 3y ago
    Not use anything created by Facebook money, would be a first step, for those that hate them.
- Yujf 3y ago
  So what? Meta does employ many talented engineers and they do create valuable open source software. Is it not good that we can praise that and still hate other practices they use?
  - pjmlp 3y ago
    Those practices are what make those open source projects possible. No money, no open source projects.
    - ViktorRay 3y ago
      This logic is absurd. The people responsible for the opioid crisis also donated a lot of money to philanthropy. If people told us “no shady opioid practices, no philanthropy” we would all assume they were being absurd. Because that statement is absurd as the one you made saying that without Meta’s shady practices we wouldn’t have those open source projects. Also Meta’s open source projects do have a benefit to Meta. If they didn’t, Meta would never open source them. It’s part of Meta’s business strategy.
      - pjmlp 3y ago
        The absurd is attacking Facebook, while enjoying the open source products payed with "dirty money" from their business practices. Turns out free beer tastes really good, regardless how it was produced back in the farm. I should not be surprised, it is hardly different from enjoying products that people know are coming from sweet shops, but hey they are so cool.
        basique 3y ago
        A lot of products have an immoral part in the supply chain. Do you propose that people abstain from all of them?
        pjmlp 3y ago
        If they are true to their beliefs, that is to be expected.
        Yujf 3y ago
        Except it is very different. If you use react you are not contributing to the sweatshop, while if you buy sweatshop items you are. I think what you are saying is that it would be immoral to make generic medicine based based on q design that was originally invented by a big pahrma company because you are supporting the exploitation fo sick people, which is honestly compeletly absurd
- al_borland 3y ago
  I hate Meta, and that also colors my view of React and other such projects they have. I have 0 interest in developing in React due to where it comes from. I also don’t want to use Go, despite team members raving about it, because it comes from Google. My distrust of these companies pushes me to distrust the development tools and languages they release as well.

JumpinJack_Cash 3y ago

> > Meta The real world runs on Meta, that's where real people are, all other social media are more about abstraction and keep updated on societal issue and gossip as opposed to actionable stuff like Facebook marketplace and Facebook jobs.

pjmlp 3y ago

I love how people hate Meta, and then end up praising React, React Native, Folley, ReasonML, Python GIL removal,.... How they think the salaries of those engineers are coming from?

tayo42 3y ago
I thought it was pretty concerning how dependent we are on Facebooks open source tech. But I'm unsure what could be done about it.
- pjmlp 3y ago
  Not use anything created by Facebook money, would be a first step, for those that hate them.
Yujf 3y ago
So what? Meta does employ many talented engineers and they do create valuable open source software. Is it not good that we can praise that and still hate other practices they use?
- pjmlp 3y ago
  Those practices are what make those open source projects possible. No money, no open source projects.
  - ViktorRay 3y ago
    This logic is absurd. The people responsible for the opioid crisis also donated a lot of money to philanthropy. If people told us “no shady opioid practices, no philanthropy” we would all assume they were being absurd. Because that statement is absurd as the one you made saying that without Meta’s shady practices we wouldn’t have those open source projects. Also Meta’s open source projects do have a benefit to Meta. If they didn’t, Meta would never open source them. It’s part of Meta’s business strategy.
    - pjmlp 3y ago
      The absurd is attacking Facebook, while enjoying the open source products payed with "dirty money" from their business practices. Turns out free beer tastes really good, regardless how it was produced back in the farm. I should not be surprised, it is hardly different from enjoying products that people know are coming from sweet shops, but hey they are so cool.
      - basique 3y ago
        A lot of products have an immoral part in the supply chain. Do you propose that people abstain from all of them?
        pjmlp 3y ago
        If they are true to their beliefs, that is to be expected.
      - Yujf 3y ago
        Except it is very different. If you use react you are not contributing to the sweatshop, while if you buy sweatshop items you are. I think what you are saying is that it would be immoral to make generic medicine based based on q design that was originally invented by a big pahrma company because you are supporting the exploitation fo sick people, which is honestly compeletly absurd
al_borland 3y ago
I hate Meta, and that also colors my view of React and other such projects they have. I have 0 interest in developing in React due to where it comes from. I also don’t want to use Go, despite team members raving about it, because it comes from Google. My distrust of these companies pushes me to distrust the development tools and languages they release as well.