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I think gradually things will settle down. People are beginning to understand that many of these image generators are built on theft, and are pushing back accor
by gumballindie 3y ago
I think gradually things will settle down. People are beginning to understand that many of these image generators are built on theft, and are pushing back accordingly. We need one or two Kim Dotcom adventures and the rampage will calm down.
- omnimus 3y agoDoubt any companies who needed commercial art will care at all. Most likely they will force artists to use AI to hyper speed up the process and fix some of the imperfections at the end. But there is no way they will be keeping artists exponentionaly so they can produce the same result the “inefficient” way.
- gumballindie 3y agoI am not against using machine learning, nor am i against companies doing so. What I dont want is stolen property, which a lot of ai currently relies on.
- The_Colonel 3y agoGenerative AI are trained on "stolen property" the same way as human artists are trained on "stolen prolerty". Both study previous masters, learn to copy their styles, "inspire" their own art from some combination of existing styles.
- gumballindie 3y agoPerhaps you are not familiar with how ai and machine learning work, and that’s okay, but ai doesn’t “study” and most certainly doesn’t “inspire” itself. It builds token databases that it then regurgitates. There no resemblance of human behaviour, just a simulation. Software always did that.
- GaggiX 3y ago>you are not familiar with how ai and machine learning work >It builds token databases Well, you don't seem to know either.
- The_Colonel 3y ago> It builds token databases that it then regurgitates. Isn't pretty much all human art just regurgitation, recombination of prior art, audiovisual experience, emotions, human experience?
- gumballindie 3y agoIt, but that’s irrelevant. AI doesnt learn as a human does.
- The_Colonel 3y agoWe don't know that much about how exactly the humans learn and how AIs learn. Both are still to a degree black boxes. But you're asserting that in case of AI training it's "stealing property", but imply it's not stealing for human learning. I think you need to substantiate this claim/difference. "Humans learn differently from AIs" is not enough.
- omnimus 3y agoThis humans are just stochastic parrots is marketing/narrative current “AI” companies use to avoid legal and image issues. Seems like its working on some people.
- gumballindie 3y agoI am surprised by the cognitive dissonance these people exhibit. On one hand they confidently claim that humans are stochastic parrots, on the other hand they claim they dont know how humans learn and think. They claim ai is intelligent but dont know how to define intelligence. Right not with a high degree of confidence we can state that they are taking what’s not theirs, apply software to it, and resell it. Everything else is their defence of said process, gaslighting people and spreading schizoid fear to obfuscate it.
- numpad0 3y agoThis argument never worked, but it continues to becoming less popular with more cases of more patchwork-y images getting generated and distributed. Humans after all can't after all generate accurate logos even when intended, GenAIs trivially do. They're not the same even by that.