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I already do. There are some ridiculous changes to the story, and the end is so weird that it's funny, but the dialogues are so much better, the characters hav

I already do. There are some ridiculous changes to the story, and the end is so weird that it's funny, but the dialogues are so much better, the characters have substance. The scary ones are scary, the glorious ones are glorious. There is actual development in Leto. The whole world feels deep. Altogether, it feels like it was aimed at a more mature audience. The same audience that would also buy the books afterward if they didn't already read it. New Dune however feels more like Young Adult Entertainment. It looks fantastic, but the rest doesn't really matter. I didn't feel anything for any of those characters. Some of the dialogues were really cringe worthy (the Hangar dialogue for example) I went there with someone who never read the books. They were confused also didn't bother with most of the characters or what has become of them. I will go and see the second one though since it's Dune and I love Dune and this might also be the reason why this way of making movies works...the nerds still go in even if they complain and the "normal audience" gets something which won't be too challenging.

k__ 3y ago
I had the exact opposite impression. The old movies felt like a caricature of the books. The evil characters were ridiculous. In the new movie, I only disliked Momoa for playing himself again.
- wincy 3y ago
  I thought the new movies were absolutely awe inspiring. I bounced off the old movie pretty hard and thought it was some weird joke I hadn’t been invited in on.
- Fricken 3y ago
  Portraying the bad guy as a raving orange fat man was on point. The world just didn't know it yet at the time.
  - csa 3y ago
    Not op, but I thought that the roles for Rabban and Feyd were absolutely ham-fisted acting in the Lynch version. Maybe there was a goal to communicate complex character elements in a highly condensed way, but it just comes across as clumsy to me. Baron was fine if not better in the Lynch version. Note that I watched the Lynch version in a theater in the 80s and recently rewatched it, and my feeling about the acting portrayal of these two characters was the almost exactly the same then and now — painful to watch.
- Krasnol 3y ago
  May I ask how old you are (rough ballpark) and if you read the books?
  - k__ 3y ago
    Around 40 and I read the first book.
acomjean 3y ago
I bought the dvd of the original Dune before having seen the movie. I’ve watched it a few times. I really wanted to like it. Something’s really off about it. If you don’t already know dune the original movie is really hard. If you do know it there are some changes. It really is of its time however. It’s a kind campy art piece that makes it hard to take seriously. Though Sting. The music in both movies is fantastic.
eecc 3y ago
You’re likely experiencing “marvelification”. https://youtu.be/5tmxfVWDgMM?si=KCVb-o9g0JYHj8sL https://youtu.be/5tmxfVWDgMM?si=KCVb-o9g0JYHj8sL
- Krasnol 3y ago
  Great video. Thank you and yes, I agree it feels just like that. The unfortunate thing here is that this is a reboot. I guess it is this why those shallow characters hurt even more. And yes, it is so gorgeous. It looks so breathtaking, but it feels hollow... I felt the same thing with the new Blade Runner. I really wanted to love that. Jean Baudrillard would have something to say about all that. Funny though that he brings up the new Dune somehow (hopefully?) positively, and there is even a fast shot of the new Blade Runner. I wonder if Dune makes the turn in the second part, but I doubt it since I haven't seen Villeneuve making it in any of his movies I've seen. What I liked was "The Killer" vs. the whole John Wick thing. It was such a brilliant twist on the "revenge" trope. I doubt that I'll be able to watch another movie based upon this trope again. For me, it reached perfection with that.
Nursie 3y ago
I feel very similarly - I will go and see the new one, because I love Dune. But the last movie was.. sterile, dead. There was no warmth between the characters, little of interest in them. It was stark. I didn’t care for any of them and it didn’t seem much like they cared for each other. The old Lynch movie isn’t a great film in that it doesn’t hold together well, and it’s not the best telling of Dune. But it has so much character, and it has characters, and they have meaningful interactions. I worry that the money that has gone into the Villeneuve movies is the last time Dune will be able to attract that sort of funding, and the biggest budget telling of the story we will have is one in which the characters may as well be wax droids.
- Krasnol 3y ago
  My hope lies on AI making it right in hopefully my lifetime. Or maybe it'll have to be me on some cracked AI because the copyright prevents the usual Hollywood AIs from making it ;)
FoodWThrow 3y ago
> New Dune however feels more like Young Adult Entertainment. Paul Atreides (the main character) is 15 years old in Dune. Most people that read and revered Dune probably did so during their young adult years. I say this as someone that loves the Herbert's works, but it is really apparent that the first Dune book originated from an ecological article, and mushrooms (of the psychedelic kind).

k__ 3y ago

I had the exact opposite impression. The old movies felt like a caricature of the books. The evil characters were ridiculous. In the new movie, I only disliked Momoa for playing himself again.

wincy 3y ago
I thought the new movies were absolutely awe inspiring. I bounced off the old movie pretty hard and thought it was some weird joke I hadn’t been invited in on.
Fricken 3y ago
Portraying the bad guy as a raving orange fat man was on point. The world just didn't know it yet at the time.
- csa 3y ago
  Not op, but I thought that the roles for Rabban and Feyd were absolutely ham-fisted acting in the Lynch version. Maybe there was a goal to communicate complex character elements in a highly condensed way, but it just comes across as clumsy to me. Baron was fine if not better in the Lynch version. Note that I watched the Lynch version in a theater in the 80s and recently rewatched it, and my feeling about the acting portrayal of these two characters was the almost exactly the same then and now — painful to watch.
Krasnol 3y ago
May I ask how old you are (rough ballpark) and if you read the books?
- k__ 3y ago
  Around 40 and I read the first book.

acomjean 3y ago

I bought the dvd of the original Dune before having seen the movie. I’ve watched it a few times. I really wanted to like it. Something’s really off about it. If you don’t already know dune the original movie is really hard. If you do know it there are some changes. It really is of its time however. It’s a kind campy art piece that makes it hard to take seriously. Though Sting. The music in both movies is fantastic.

eecc 3y ago

You’re likely experiencing “marvelification”. https://youtu.be/5tmxfVWDgMM?si=KCVb-o9g0JYHj8sL https://youtu.be/5tmxfVWDgMM?si=KCVb-o9g0JYHj8sL

Krasnol 3y ago
Great video. Thank you and yes, I agree it feels just like that. The unfortunate thing here is that this is a reboot. I guess it is this why those shallow characters hurt even more. And yes, it is so gorgeous. It looks so breathtaking, but it feels hollow... I felt the same thing with the new Blade Runner. I really wanted to love that. Jean Baudrillard would have something to say about all that. Funny though that he brings up the new Dune somehow (hopefully?) positively, and there is even a fast shot of the new Blade Runner. I wonder if Dune makes the turn in the second part, but I doubt it since I haven't seen Villeneuve making it in any of his movies I've seen. What I liked was "The Killer" vs. the whole John Wick thing. It was such a brilliant twist on the "revenge" trope. I doubt that I'll be able to watch another movie based upon this trope again. For me, it reached perfection with that.

Nursie 3y ago

I feel very similarly - I will go and see the new one, because I love Dune. But the last movie was.. sterile, dead. There was no warmth between the characters, little of interest in them. It was stark. I didn’t care for any of them and it didn’t seem much like they cared for each other. The old Lynch movie isn’t a great film in that it doesn’t hold together well, and it’s not the best telling of Dune. But it has so much character, and it has characters, and they have meaningful interactions. I worry that the money that has gone into the Villeneuve movies is the last time Dune will be able to attract that sort of funding, and the biggest budget telling of the story we will have is one in which the characters may as well be wax droids.

Krasnol 3y ago
My hope lies on AI making it right in hopefully my lifetime. Or maybe it'll have to be me on some cracked AI because the copyright prevents the usual Hollywood AIs from making it ;)

FoodWThrow 3y ago

> New Dune however feels more like Young Adult Entertainment. Paul Atreides (the main character) is 15 years old in Dune. Most people that read and revered Dune probably did so during their young adult years. I say this as someone that loves the Herbert's works, but it is really apparent that the first Dune book originated from an ecological article, and mushrooms (of the psychedelic kind).